Contact with Lux Invicta!

[Hot_Enamel]

What a tangled web we weave....

This deal is better, but will RP trade writing to Lux and allow them to retrade it ?
This is unlikely......but then Lux are sneaky SOB's so maybe they will.

We only have a couple more rounds before writing is discovered. We must lock in a deal before then.

We must be very wary of any deal Lux gives us.
If we say no to RP, then Lux can put last minute clauses in the deal and we will be stuffed.
Clauses like...extension of non-aggresion pact will kill us.

I dont know what to do...and am too far removed from the diplo scene to offer any real advice.

Good luck

Regs

[Panzer32]

To tell the truth, I (who should be close to the diplo scene) can't seem to keep up with Lux. If you, GF, can deal with them seperatly, I can keep up with Roleplay.

This is where we need Unorthodox, to split up Foreign Consul duties: I thought he was supposed to have come back a month ago... where is he?

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Okay, I will see what I can do.

I believe UnOrthO had family related issues that he had to address.

Memo to BFM:

I will be assisting in the GoW abassador duties to Lux, as Panzer32 already has his hands full with other issues.

If your team will agree to give us Writing, we need to know an exact turn we can expect it. As stated before we can't research another tech until we have Writing or Mathematics and Mathematics is still a good ways away.

Roleplay has informed us they will have Writing in 2 turns and are trying to trade it to us for Horseback Riding now. Unfortunately, we have caught them lying to us in these negotiations at least once. Consequently, my team members are starting to get very paranoid in their ideas of negotiating with other civs.

I am trying to maintain the idea of a paranoid Warmongering team on their border. I figure they will want to get us settled down so as to not fear any sudden attacks.

I would request that you determine a definite answer on the exact turn you will get Writing from Roleplay. If it is soon we can quit our own negotiations with them for Writing and let your team trade them Horsback Riding. Then our team can continue to map out the lower continent with our warriors and after Mapmaking trade you the entire mapped area of Roleplay's vast territorial claim.

We have already discovered a large clump of Silk, a large clump of Gems, two Iron resources and rivered areas larger than our combined lands in the north and have been told they also have Spices (from Togas) and Ivory (from ND).

We have also mapped out the locations of at least two of their current cities.

Once again to convince them we have valuable resources to trade them in order that they follow through with the deal in the hopes of getting to utilize these resources.

[Hot_Enamel]

Lux gets a good deal if this goes through.
If we trade HBR with RP, then Lux has nothing to offer for it.
By acting as a go between us & RP, they get writing for free.
Otherwise, it costs us 60g to ensure Lux gets nothing.
They should be reminded of this.

But really...in the end it does not matter that they get writing, as it is a non militaristic tech, and Lux will meet its end very soon.

[Panzer32]

I think we are going to get writing from Roleplay after all

[Aggie]

Enough of their excuses, they lied to us. In my eyes this null and voids the NAP with them. Let us make a general plan and try to aquire a map of their cities so we can launch a first strike with horsemen. Lets this be a lesson to all, if you betray us we send you home in a body bag.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aggie
Enough of their excuses, they lied to us. In my eyes this null and voids the NAP with them. Let us make a general plan and try to aquire a map of their cities so we can launch a first strike with horsemen. Lets this be a lesson to all, if you betray us we send you home in a body bag.
Aggie

ND's current plan is for them to sack the Lux city immediately north of their city and we are to sack the third Lux city that they found with their newly created settler (Borc said Lux just built a settler).

I propose that after this, we be prepared to mop up the rest of Lux, while ND should be prepared for a counterstrike from the RP team.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Updates from Lux

Had a chat with AdmiralPJ today and Lux has no intention of giving us Writing. He suggested we start researching Writing as he doubts Roleplay will give it to us. He said Trip wants war with our team and stated that they are going to start researching Mathematics as they doubt we will get it from ND.

[Panzer32]

Trip wants war with our team

So long as its mutual...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

From Admiral PJ (Isent him the email where Togas agreed to the tech alliance concept and trading Horseback Riding for Writing- I need Panzer to send him some copies of where they have since declined to trade Writing)

I received your message and we are discussing this and its
ramifications.
I don't see how a warring civ could still trade techs while at war,
they
surely wouldn't want to unless in order to make peace.

I think we need to see your other evidence first, but it probably
won't
stop my team from being hostile towards NDE, although we are
reassessing
our strategies as we speak.

We would not interfere if ND or you wished to make war with RP, but we
may view your nation with suspicion if it befriends NDE too closely.

BFM and I hope we can work out a strong lasting friendship.

Kindest regards to GoW and Ghengis,
from Adrmial PJ
Foreign minister Prince of Luxia Empire.

I am definitely getting the impression that Roleplay is trying to convince both ND and Lux to declare war on us. Probably because our team has thus far refused to be a willing puppet in their ego-trip of controlling the strings of all the other civs.

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I am definitely getting the impression that Roleplay is trying to convince both ND and Lux to declare war on us. Probably because our team has thus far refused to be a willing puppet in their ego-trip of controlling the strings of all the other civs.

Well they have been half successful.
The three northern nations are going to war, and the RP team can sit back and consolidate in peace.

I dont believe that Lux will want to take on both us and ND on their own.
They could be just bluffing.
At a minimum, they will go looking for help from Togas. Which will make them just an extension of RP.

Regs

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb I need Panzer to send him some copies of where they have since declined to trade Writing

Which copies? I thought you had those...

Also: I wonder if I can see about extending the Roleplay nonagression pact... It will be a while after the Lux war until we can fight them, and it would keep Roleplay from attacking us during the Lux conflict.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Panzer32


Which copies? I thought you had those...

Also: I wonder if I can see about extending the Roleplay nonagression pact... It will be a while after the Lux war until we can fight them, and it would keep Roleplay from attacking us during the Lux conflict.

The pms you got from Togas and adaMada declining and putting conditions on the Writing trade.

[Panzer32]

oh, ok. I'll compile them later today.

[Panzer32]

I had a chat with Trip (he approached me) today. Transcript here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76360

(discuss further with GF is the last line)