An opportunity?

[Velociryx]

Will do, Theseus! No harm in asking....

-=Vel=-

[alva]

If there is a chat, I want to part of it (don't mind keeping my mouth shut and chat in another room)

Shiber, maybe you should give Vel the OK for the room.
Oh, and a couple of days ago, some people had problems logging into to room, nathan among others. Aeson and Sleepy too IIRC

[Velociryx]

Nope....we have no firm ideas about anything, but even without them, I'd still say the ceasefire notion would be a good one. Worst possible case would be that they're waiting for masses of galleys to arrive from Bob, filled with troops, but since we're wise to the possibility, we'd have plenty of time to re-garrison our (mostly empty) cities.

The ONE plus to having the lighthouse: It makes us the undisputed early maritime power....Bobians will have a tough time attacking us.

-=Vel=-

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Velociryx
(and a welcome break from writing events for Candle'Bre....I've been fleshing out some of the "story" events lately....whooohoooo! got some Grooooovy ideas there!).

Damn... stories... you know how much I like those, and I have absolutely no time left

Couldn't we ask for a cease fire, so I can get up to date with CB again?

DeepO

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Dominae
We should have offered a cease-fire/peace the turn after they declared war

I disagree. IMHO a cease-fire when we can't even see their main troops is useless to us. They could just keep advancing, yet unsighted, during a several turns cease-fire.

[DeepO]

Dominae, I would never agree to a 20 turn NAP, we only need between 10 and 15 turns from here on to wipe them off our continent, even if we would lose the battle of Arashi. I agree that the switch towards military power has been very expensive, but considering it also gave us our GA, and that we needed to look for not-so-peaceful expansion anyway, it's not that bad. Besides, the only reason why we were doing so well in pop and cities is because we always thought that we could catch up if it needed to, we only postponed the switch, and gained all those turns we didn't had units to support, and could build more workers and cities. It was a deliberate choice, and I don't think it was a bad one... Look at how other empires (like ND or RP) are doing that did keep their military up to date for defense. Their cities aren't nearly as impressive as ours, and I don't think that by the time we conquer the rest of our continent, they have passed us in population.

DeepO

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Nope....we have no firm ideas about anything, but even without them, I'd still say the ceasefire notion would be a good one. Worst possible case would be that they're waiting for masses of galleys to arrive from Bob, filled with troops, but since we're wise to the possibility, we'd have plenty of time to re-garrison our (mostly empty) cities.

Hm, but the difference is that, if we do not agree to the cease-fire now, we can deal with the Voxians first and their pesky ally (allies!?) second. As an added benefit, the ally might think twice when they see that we've repelled Vox. Instead of focusing on Vox, I believe we could benefit from some intelligence-gathering (the diplomatic kind) of the Bobian civs.


Dominae

[Shiber]

Originally posted by alva
Shiber, maybe you should give Vel the OK for the room.

Sure, if he only registered his nickname with nickserv (y'hear that Vel? ).

Vel:
Log onto apolyton.net's IRC server with the nickname of your choosing. Then enter:
/msg nickserv register choose-password your-email-addy
Respond to the confirmation Email and then enter:
/msg nickserv set kill quick
/msg nickserv set secure on
You will have to enter '/msg nickserv identify your-password' within 20 seconds after having logged on each time (you can tell your IRC client to automate this procedure, meet me in IRC and I'll show you how if you're new to IRC).
Once you're done, just tell me your nickname and I'll authorize you to #GatheringStorm.

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Shiber
I disagree. IMHO a cease-fire when we can't even see their main troops is useless to us. They could just keep advancing, yet unsighted, during a several turns cease-fire.

Our average-case estimates as to the size of the Voxian force were not far off. Still, I admit it was nice to see exactly what they're capable of throwing at us.

In any case, the ability to have waited a bit longer and go to war on our terms would definitely have been to our advantage.


Dominae

[DeepO]

Good point, Dom... however, we can only deal with Vox defensively for now, or once they decide to expose themselves on grass. So they have initiative, and if they know Bobian reinforcements are on route, they can stall us anyway. We need a lot more med infs to get them of those mountains by force. So, we don't put ourselves in a worse position by not going for a (limited, of course) cease fire.

DeepO

[Dominae]

Originally posted by DeepO
Dominae, I would never agree to a 20 turn NAP, we only need between 10 and 15 turns from here on to wipe them off our continent, even if we would lose the battle of Arashi.

I believe you're underestimating their capabilities, and overestimating ours (at this point in time). We're not even close to "overwhelming force", and so 10-15 turns is a bit idealistic. Even if it could happen, we would lose most of our forces in the process.


Dominae

[Velociryx]

Shebir:Will do, but I'll have to do that when I get home (at work right now....firewall.... )

Dominae: Ahhh, I see where you're going with it, and I agree, but consider: We're average - strong militarily with the guys on Bob. In order for them to mount a credible threat, they'd need to have *at least* six galleys at the ready, and a sufficient number of guys to transport immediately. If they had that, plus enough to defend their own lands, they'd be as strong as Vox on the military chart.

IMO, if they have allies who have pledged military support, that support will be spotty at best. If there is a ceasefire, it'll likely be a short one, netting us an advantage, in the sense that we have a few more turns to organize ourselves and our defenses while we plant confusion in the mind of the enemy. Then we deal with Vox first, and whatever allies they've got....

-=Vel=-

[Dominae]

Originally posted by DeepO
So they have initiative, and if they know Bobian reinforcements are on route, they can stall us anyway. We need a lot more med infs to get them of those mountains by force. So, we don't put ourselves in a worse position by not going for a (limited, of course) cease fire.

And a good point by you too!

Would the cease-fire require them to get out of our territory?


Dominae

[Velociryx]

Not as I had originally worded it, and prolly not in any case....such an arrangement would cost them too much time, and give us too much turn advantage. Best we could hope for would be to make them back 1-tile away from our cities for the 2-turn duration.

-=Vel=-

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Dominae
In any case, the ability to have waited a bit longer and go to war on our terms would definitely have been to our advantage.

Most definately. The only gain we have right now is that we don't need to worry anymore on how to attack Vox honorably, as we were doing for a couple fo days before the attack.

But this is fun too, at least it makes it tense. If we would have been able to wait, we would have walked over them just like they hoped they could do with us. What fun is that, if Vox would play like an AI

DeepO