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**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 08:10

From this....the supreme willingness to talk even now, when they clearly have us outnumbered, I gather that they are terrified of this war.

Don't know how we might be able to best make use of this (well, I've some ideas, but wanted to post here to shop for more), but it's important....too important to simply let slip away with no action at all....

-=Vel=-

**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 08:11

At any rate....he'll be looking for an answer sooner, rather than later....I'll send him a stalling reply now to give us time to put our heads together to see what, if anything there might be to talk about, and what, if anything we might be able to gain from this tiny window.

-=Vel=-

**Shiber** · April 19, 2003, 08:39

It's nice to know that Vox are considering peace. First though, I'd demand to see proof in the field.
I'd like to see their units withdraw back into D-ville's cultural borders, and the immortals approaching Sandstorm move back into the jungle. Let's assure them that as long as they are retreating, and we are able to verify that they are indeed moving back, we will not launch any attacks on their units, even if they expose themselves.
If we can strike peace with Vox and attack later... well, that'd be great!

I'm thinking that later on, we can offer them to coordinate an attack on Bob in which GS will not participate militarily, but will assist under special terms. For every achievement that they make on Bob, we will reward them: e.g. 70 gold for every city founded on Bob, 100 gold for every city conquered on Bob, 5 gold per defense point of every Bobian unit that they kill etc'.

Edit: of course, that's just a fantasy... but I can dream, can't I?

I'm all for peace with Vox, if it means that they will go against Bob instead, and that we will have a better shot at them later.

**DeepO** · April 19, 2003, 08:54

They are realising it won't be as smooth walking over us then they initially thought. I don't mind the informal communication at all, nor do I consider it near dishonorable talking about possible peace, this is absolutely not the same as what GoW is doing.

As to your answer: maybe there are some options to exploit this, however in the end, I think the result will have to be the same. We only have 2 cities we can settle without bumping into Vox, which would mean 4 turns from now if we switched to settlers instead of units. After that, we need space. We will never be able to trust Vox again, and the rest of the teams will assume we will go for Vox anyway (as we aren't strong enough to fight 3 Bobian teams at once on their ground), which doesn't leave us much choice.

So, we can't sign permanent peace treaties, as we know that in about 10 turns, we are going to need to attack Vox anyway, they have left us no choice, we can't seek land elsewhere. They might not have any problems breaking treaties, we can't. Within this constraint, I see no reason why we wouldn't try to get some advantage, as long as we protect us, it wouldn't surprise me they want to backstab us.

One thing that worries me: They asked Lego to delay the turn. Did they also mentioned the reason for it? Does Lego know more about the situation then we give them credit for? Might be something to try to find out next chat with them

DeepO

**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 08:58

As I understood it, they asked Lego to delay their turn to give us more time to talk.

I agree tho, long-term, Vox is history. ANY agreement we make with them would simply be to buy us time. In fact, I would consider it a victory if we simply got them to agree to a 2-turn "freeze" (they don't attack anywhere, and don't move from where they are while we talk)....that's two turns of building....

-=Vel=-

**FrustratedPoet** · April 19, 2003, 09:00

Yeah, I agree with DeepO - we can't really sign a peace treaty with them if we intend to build up and invade their land a.s.a.p (we do, don't we?).

A ceasefire would be good, though - take the pressure off us a bit. As long as Vox understand it's only a pause in the fighting, not the beginning of a lasting peace.

edit: I cross-posted with Vel (I'm good at doing that

). Absolutely, even a one or two turn pause in teh war would help us far more than it helped them IMHO. If the chance is there we should take it.

I'm not sure if they'll just want a temporary ceasefire, though. It looks from here that their best chance of winning the war is to attack hard and attack NOW.

**alva** · April 19, 2003, 09:02

I'm thinking "test" here, looking too see how confident we are about our chances.
They knew perfectly well what they would getting into when they started this (what 15 turns ago?)
To suddenly trying to back out now, without any (real) battle being fought, strikes me as a bit odd.
Well, at least that's my (gut) reaction. I could change my mind completeyl in a hour though

Perhaps if they would send something less abstract, IE a message in where they cleary state what they want (or would like to see happen/ hope us to agree to/etc.. .)

Hmm, I don't know..

**Shiber** · April 19, 2003, 09:03

I agree!

Excellent. A two turns cease-fire while we "work things out" would pay either way.

**alva** · April 19, 2003, 09:06

edit: I cross-posted with Vel (I'm good at doing that ). Absolutely, even a one or two turn pause in teh war would help us far more than it helped them IMHO. If the chance is there we should take it.

But surely, they must know this as well
(not the crossposting

, the 2 turn pause)

* this is thread is growing fast!!

**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 09:06

What I was thinking of doing then, is writing back and telling them that we're open to discussions and willing to listen to them and their complaints, so long as they remain where they are. If they move or attack, all bets are off. Timeframe on the cease-fire would be two turns....if we can't come to an understanding in that timeframe, it's back to fighting....hey...it's two turns....

If that sounds okay to everyone, then that's the direction I shall take it!

-=Vel=-

**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 09:08

Yes....I'm sure they do...BUT....if they think that there's a chance of getting out of the war unscathed, then they might be willing to risk letting us build for two turns (and I'll downplay what we can accomplish during that time) to see if peace takes root. KNOWING that the alternative is an eventual defeat, they just might take the chance....

-=Vel=-

**Shiber** · April 19, 2003, 09:09

Alva, re: gut feeling: I was actually half hoping, half expecting that this would happen sooner or later, judging by Vox's nature and what we've seen of their patterns of behaviour so far. I never expected this to happen so quickly though (which is why I can relate to your gut feeling), but we must admit that this sudden positive curve in our power graph is very scary, and so is Vox's realization that they either have to attack well-fortified positions (e.g. Arashi) or step off the mountains to attack lightly-defended sites (e.g. Monsoon).
I'm no psychologist, but this situation seems very possible to me. Even likely.

**Velociryx** · April 19, 2003, 09:12

Isn't it wonderful, what a few well-considered "casual" phrases dropped here and there can do? Oh, I grant you, we don't have any guarantees of anything, but we have more to work with than we did yesterday....and we might be able to turn it into a window of time we can grow our army in safety....

-=Vel=-

**alva** · April 19, 2003, 09:16

Hmmm, Just trowing some things in the group here.

They recieved feudalism from GoW and want to upgrade them while GoW keeps us bussy?
( reversed-oscilating wars anyone

)

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