An opportunity?

[Shiber]

Who said anything about peace?
I am willing to discuss a 10 turns NAP, or an even longer period of non-hostilities if Vox invades Bob again. NAP is a technical term - it doesn't imply eternal or long-lasting peace, and it has a strict expiration period and nothing committing beyond that.

[Randolph]

wow, I really have a difficult time imagining why they would go along with and cease-fire deal, but if they will it would certainly be to our advantage in many ways. The only possible major downside I can think of is if it gives GoW time to open a second front (but I seriously doubt that any of the bob civs are willing to send units to our continent at this time).

Note: We should certainly expect nothing until if and when we actually have a deal.

[alva]

Note: We should certainly expect nothing until if and when we actually have a deal.

Even then.....even then....

[Theseus]

Originally posted by Aeson
The other way we could play it is to goad them into attacking Arashi... where it's about 80% we come out on top (even better if they choose to limit losses, as almost all our losses happen at the end of their attack once the Pikes have been whittled down). Showing great enthusiasm to the idea of a cease fire, giving them the right to declare terms...ect. Something like:

"We are very pleased that Vox is willing to offer us this opportunity for peace. What are your terms for a cease fire?"

I just saw this (it ended the last page).

I like this even better, especially given Aeson's point about Vox taking losses and possible ceasing the attack.

Let us destroy them, and have done with it.

[Aeson]

I really don't think a peace treaty will help us long run. The continent isn't big enough for 2 teams. The cease fire only helps us if it's 4 to 5 turns, and/or if Vox is required to remove their troops from our borders (meaning no adjacent to borders either). A longer cease fire hurts us because that's a good ETA on cutting off their Iron, and so we end up having to kill more Immortals (and possibly Pikes) than we should have to face otherwise. Shorter hurts us because it forces them to mass their troops before we hit critical mass.

Otherwise we are best off just having them attack and getting it over with. Arashi will eat up 11 Immortals a good percentage of the time while enough of our troops survive to face the next wave of like numbers on the same terms given our reinforcement rate. We lose Arashi vs 20 Immortals about half the time given what we can have in there by the time they could possibly get those 20 Immortals together. There is the possibility they build up their troops even without a cease fire, but with a cease fire it's not just a possibility, it's what they have to do.

[asleepathewheel]

One thing about that cease fire-

in what, 5 turns or so they can get feudalism from GoW? What if they are trying to get a cease fire to gain pikes?

I think the sooner we kill them, the better.

[Aeson]

A cease fire shouldn't affect how soon we can take out their Iron (unless it's more than those 5 turns).

[Theseus]

Too much talk.

KILLKILLKILL!!!

[Randolph]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I think the sooner we kill them, the better.

There's something to that. We're quite sure that we can kill them now; a cease-fire will change the situation, probably to our advantage, but why role the dice if we're confident right now. Particularly since they brought it up we should be skeptical about changing any situation that we should be victorious in.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
in what, 5 turns or so they can get feudalism from GoW? What if they are trying to get a cease fire to gain pikes?

Yes, that's a possibility... however, if we can cut off their iron (for good) by then, it won't make a difference.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Shiber


Yes, that's a possibility... however, if we can cut off their iron (for good) by then, it won't make a difference.

Are you saying that we can cut their iron if we have a cease fire, or cut it the turn it ends and hope they haven't upgraded?

[alva]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
One thing about that cease fire-

in what, 5 turns or so they can get feudalism from GoW? What if they are trying to get a cease fire to gain pikes?

If GoW did go to war with us, I think we can count on the fact that feudalism is already in VoX's hands (or at least offered in -game).
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Should we remind others that we have a NDA with GOW and that we would 'appreciate' it that they wouldn't buy it of them?

[Shiber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Are you saying that we can cut their iron if we have a cease fire, or cut it the turn it ends and hope they haven't upgraded?

If they upgrade during the cease-fire, then of course there's nothing we can do about it.

Another thing to remember is that this is slightly different than the warriors to immortals situation. Warriors cost 10 shields, spearmen cost 20, so the rate at which they'll be producing pikemen will be halved (assuming that money is not a problem).

[alva]

lightening just struck me, could they be asking for this cease-fire in order to get into Republic?
On the other, wouldn't make that much difference for them would it? Especially not with 3 turns of non-production during a rather tense period. Then again, they might whipped so much, there just not to produce anythin ATM.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by alva
lightening just struck me, could they be asking for this cease-fire in order to get into Republic?
On the other, wouldn't make that much difference for them would it? Especially not with 3 turns of non-production during a rather tense period. Then again, they might whipped so much, there just not to produce anythin ATM.

as nathan said before in another thread, despotism is probably the best for them.

Think about the military support. If they have 30 units, thats 30 gold per turn in republic. would cripple an already shaky economy.