DIPLO: Legoland Comments

[Aeson]

Sistene is close to worthless on Chieftain happiness levels, I'd have no qualms about getting something for not building it, as we shouldn't build it in any case. A feeler about whether they'd trade Sistene for the Collosus would be great. If they aren't building the Collosus they'd most likely agree and we still might have a shot at it. If Lego is building it, they definitely won't agree. Gives us an idea of where they are headed at least.

[DeepO]

Agree... a feeler for Collosus would be great. But what happens if by pure luck we gain a couple of leaders we can't use? The 'risk' might be small, but still... it doesn't look like we'll have other (good) wonders to build soon, we might need to settle for the Sistine just to limit possible prebuilds. What if Lego gets a guarantee from all teams on Sistine, and can use it as a prebuild till the end of the game? At the very least, there should be a time limitation on their exclusivity

DeepO

[Aeson]

We have at least 4 good options for Leaders in the next 10-20 turns. FP, Army, Collosus (probably be gone soon), and/or saving one for Leo's, Copernicus or JS Bach's. Then Smith and Newton is just another few turns away.

I don't think we have to worry about running out of things to do with our Leaders for quite some time.

[Theseus]

HE, as well.

[Shiber]

Army: does everyone agree that if we get one, we need to fill it with knights or mustketmen? Both units are still a long way off, it seems, so an army will have to wait unfilled until these units become available. By then, we may get another leader and then regret not having used the previous one for a wonder or the FP.
If we get a leader in this or the next few turns, I'd rather not use it for an army.

Lego: I'm definitely for sending a feeler.
If we find out that Lego aren't competing with us for the Colossus, that leaves two possible competitors: GoW (with a palace prebuild in one of their coastal cities) and ND (with a palace prebuild); RP couldn't have used a palace prebuild since they've just moved their palace (they can start now though, but they don't have any serious production in any of their coastal cities).

[notyoueither]

Woah! With a non militaristic civ, one should not go round planning on leaders. I supported Sun Tzu's, but only because our very lives hung in the balance.

The next leader is an army, one that wins an easy combat with a MedInf loaded... followed by the Heroic Epic... if we want to count on any kind of leader stream in future. That is of course if we see another leader in this entire game...

[DeepO]

Hmm... you're right. So giving Sistine isn't that much of a deal.

Anyone knows by heart if it is commercial, and would trigger their GA?

DeepO

[Aeson]

Sistene is Religious only.

[Harovan]

On the leader question (although it doesn't belong here, but anyway):

- We should first get a leader and then decide what to do with him
- My opinion depends on our further success in warfare
- If we keep Inchon (which I hope we will) and succeed to widen that foothold, a FP in Inchon or Elipolis would probably be the best option
- If not, an Army of MIs will do best to initiate the HE and later the MilAc building, and then to be a nutcracker when taking Elipolis.

[Arrian]

I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is a little plastic block.

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

Yes. It seems they have been trying to put bars through our spokes. I'm sure they feel clever, for it was a good move from their POV.

Now, what to do about it?

[Arrian]

Couple of possibilities:

1) Nothing until we see an opening. Safe route, but then again there may never be an opening.

2) Work out something with GoW to go hit them, possibly coordinating with ND to make sure GoW doesn't get backstabbed (ND does a NAP, and agrees to hold off RP if they get uppity). This is hard as hell to do, but maybe we could sell it by convincing them that Lego is the real threat (some already realize this) and they have got to be disrupted ASAP.

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

I think Lego's coastal map is going to turn some heads. We need to wait in the weeds for a bit. Maybe give things a push now and then.

[Theseus]

What the heck are you guys talking about?

[Arrian]

Theseus,

It has become clear to NYE and I that Legoland are the ones who contracted GoW to land units in support of Vox. THEY are the puppetmasters here, not RP.

-Arrian