DIPLO: Neu Demogyptica - comments

[Aeson]

Yes, they agreed to getting Feudalism at the date we offered. We can offer to send it to them sooner for an additional cost, or go through with the original agreement.

I don't think we agreed to send them Feudalism ASAP, the deal was with the 8-10 turn ETA.

As for the ETA: between 8-10 turns, depending on the commerce percentage going to research- according to other sources, that is well before anyone else working on the tech finishes his work.

I don't see why we can't offer it to them sooner than originally negotiated. It would be in their best interests to get it sooner so they can beat GoW to Chivalry. The NDA would still be to the same turn, and we ask for a bit of extra compensation.

Otherwise we could just hold onto it till the original ETA and give it to them for the original price.

[DeepO]

No... I would agree if these were AIs, but not now. They will know when others get it, ND is the biggest, and most analytic team. The moment we discover it, they can notice the research cost drop.

Further, it would be good to keep them as friends, it seems to me (but I could be completely mistaken here) that they do not particular like both GoW and RP. So, by friendly supporting them, not asking for 'unfair' advantages, we can keep growth of the other Bobians down.

I'm not sure how they interpret it, but we implicitely said that we were going to trade the tech to them the moment we could get it. If we now ask for more gold, only because we need to speed up research, it wouldn't be accepted as a fair deal to them, as they have nothing to do with it, and you can't really renegotiate already agreed upon deals.

So, what we could ask is for a better NDA, as most likely they won't mind, as they are supportive of our war with Vox (or at least they claim). More gold however is something else, I wouldn't like it if someone would ask for more gold simply because he was faster then anticipated.

DeepO

[DeepO]

One idea could be to ask for the gold in front, so that we can send an accepted gift for Feudalism, but that would again be against what GoW tries to achieve (getting a 1 turn advantage on ND). So I think we should even mention that to them, they should never find out (and it is not somethign we didn't agreed upon)

DeepO

[Shiber]

ND must be dead-frightened of the possibility that GoW would get Feudalism several turns before they do and start on Chivalry, and get their riders several turns before ND can upgrade to Ansars.
We can use that in our favor, if we haven't already committed to providing Feudalism as soon as we get it, but in 5 or so turns from now. A request of a 25 gold addition to the base price for faster delivery sounds fair to me.

[alva]

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused now.
So,

-We deliver in 2 to 3 turns
-because of that we want a 15? turn NDA
-No mentioning of chivalry.
-Can I leave in the questions regarding BOB? (I'm just trying to get another piece of the puzzle here )

(perhaps make , longer NDA or some extra gold, hereby giving them the choice.
I would like their NDA to end a different turn to GOW's, maybe that could give us some info as to will have sold it to RP or LEGO...)

[Shiber]

Originally posted by alva
I would like their NDA to end a different turn to GOW's, maybe that could give us some info as to will have sold it to RP or LEGO...

Good idea!

I dunno about the rest though... it is getting very late, and I can no longer trust myself with important decisions. I should really catch some sleep.

You guys are doing a wonderful job! I know I will respect any decision that you make.

We have appx. 6 hours and 15 minutes left to hold the save.

[DeepO]

I wouldn't ask for more gold, but I would offer (not give) it to them the moment we discover it. In exchange, an NDA of 10 turns seems ok, as it is exactly what we ask GoW, there's a good chance that they will find out the requirements from RP or GoW.

Same price, same deal, with the only exception that secretly GoW has payed us in front, and thus gets the tech gifted, making it 1 turn earlier for them.

DeepO

[DeepO]

BTW, that 1 turn difference could already be an indication as to who gives it to RP.

DeepO

[alva]

How about asking the money upfront for the early delivery? I'm sure they can see why we would do this?
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Hi Darekill,

Due to us going into our Golden Age, we will be able to get it sooner then expected, feudalism should be ours in two to three turns, however, we have a small favour to ask of you.
Would you mind sending the money upfront? I'm sure you can appreciate the reason of our asking you this and we feel this is a deal to both of us, you will get the tech sooner, we get the gold earlier .
Note that the NDA will be 10 turns from acquiring the tech, not us getting the gold.

How are things going at your end? Has Vox settled a city again, or have they withdrawn those?

Hope to hear from you soon,
Honorable greetings,
alva,
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Something like this?

[DeepO]

Alva, I don't think that would be fair to GoW, besides we don't really need the cash. Right now the balance is good between our deals with ND and GoW, let's not overdo it... we can't ask ND for gold last turn, so that they will have it in 2 turns as well. Let's just use the same thing as with Lego or RP, I already send those two teams the same deals as GoW, not telling them GoW is getting it 1 turn early. It's the easiest, and IMO fairest solution.

DeepO

[alva]

no problem

Hello Darekill,

Since we have entered our Golden Age, we will be able to get feudalism sooner then expected, how is that for some good news.


Feudalism will be delivered in two to three turns, as to the payment, we agree to the 200 gold (or if you prefer, a 12GPT).
Note that this comes with a 10 turn NDA.

Hope to hear from you soon,
Honorable greetings,
alva of Gathering Storm,

I'm actuallu curious to see, how much faith they have in us
If they choose to go for the GPT deal....
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Message will be sent in 10 min.

[DeepO]

Just add one small comment that the increase in NDA is simply because we want to keep the tech out of Vox's hands, but we would hope they understand this. Further, it's perfect

DeepO

[alva]

:relieved:

Full version will go into the ND thread

[Arrian]

Son of a filthy whore! (excuse the language of a soldier)

Unless I'm totally misreading the DIPLO log for ND, our feudalism deal fell through, at least in part to a chance in leadership over there. So no 200 gold coming in, at least not in the immediate future.

HOWEVER, if RP does attack ND, we might be able to do to them what they are doing to us with Vox: empower the enemy (ND) by hooking them up with feudalism when they need it most.

I think we ought to do our best to cultivate a good relationship with ND... they are kinda like "outsiders" in this game, whereas we have the "aloof" label. We're both a bit frozen out, it seems.

Common interest can lead to alliance.

-Arrian

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Arrian
Son of a filthy whore! (excuse the language of a soldier)

Unless I'm totally misreading the DIPLO log for ND, our feudalism deal fell through, at least in part to a chance in leadership over there. So no 200 gold coming in, at least not in the immediate future.

HOWEVER, if RP does attack ND, we might be able to do to them what they are doing to us with Vox: empower the enemy (ND) by hooking them up with feudalism when they need it most.

I think we ought to do our best to cultivate a good relationship with ND... they are kinda like "outsiders" in this game, whereas we have the "aloof" label. We're both a bit frozen out, it seems.

Common interest can lead to alliance.

-Arrian

Yes, who the hell knows whats going on with them. were they roleplaying or what?

very disappointing, hope they figure out what to do, RP and GoW are about to gang up on them would seem.