GoW - Diplomacy Comments #3

[Aeson]

I think MZ's split looks good.

[Krill]

My only problem is that the U235 is right next to the border; We would also need tofortify Dust devil, as that is lynchpin for our terrain on legoland.

[vmxa1]

The only issue I see is the dye city not being in connection with the rest of our land. I presume GoW would decline it if ti was to flip latter, so I guess it is fine.

[Krill]

I can't see any reson to give up tile that could contain AL to add a link to the dyes. It would also soak up defenders that could hold the U235, rubber and (Praying the RNG god) hopefully AL.

[vmxa1]

That could not be done anyway as it would cut of a chunk of GoW land and I doubt they would want that.

[Cort Haus]

So, shall I get back to MZ saying Yes to the map, and by the way, would they like to be on our side or ND's side in the coming conflict?

[Theseus]

[Aeson]

Yes to the map part.

GoW knows we have a spy with ND now. ND's buildup is probably to hit us with, but could also be used against GoW, however unlikely. Letting GoW in on the exact numbers can't hurt us, and might help the relationship with GoW. Also we might apply some indirect diplomatic pressure through GoW to have ND stop the buildup. Mention that with ND's amphibious buildup we will be forced to divert much of our fleet from hunting Lego to guarantee that ND would not be able to land.

That also undermines the confidence of ND if they are planning an invasion. Word gets back to them that we know their exact numbers and feel confident that they would not be able to land. Either they ramp up production a lot (making it crystal clear that they are coming for us) or call it off. With the current number of ships, and our naval production capacity, I don't think they would even land in a 1v1 scenario where we are prepared.

If ND and GoW are in on it, it (or anything) can't hurt us because we either win with the UN or lose the game in that situation.

[Cort Haus]

OK, flurry of messages sent to GoW, Vox and RP.

I'm thinking - with ND/GWT taking victory in the ISDG, does MZ really want to make it easy for them to win this one too? I doubt it.

[Aeson]

In a balanced triangle the winner is usually the one who doesn't get involved when the other two do. If GoW is with ND it's because they think they can beat ND head to head easier than they could beat us head to head. That would be a pretty big gamble at this though, the matchups are close either way. I would expect GoW's first preference to be to peacefully launch while watching ND/GS fireworks.

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I'm thinking - with ND/GWT taking victory in the ISDG, does MZ really want to make it easy for them to win this one too? I doubt it.

This is a good point! it may be one of the few arguments we've got. True, we have just fought a war with GoW as allies, but they are allied to ND much longer. Also, when looking at the troop forces for both nations, you can see they have trusted each other during the Lego war. This does not sound good.

So... they've got a longer relation with ND, they will need some 'extra' arguments to sway to 'our side.

DeepO

[Aeson]

We need to ask GoW if they'd be interested in Miniaturization for continued Rubber (which it seems we are getting anyways), Luxury support, and maybe some gold or part of the balance on a future tech trade.

[DeepO]

Sounds good. I would like to add a question to them (can be in a response to last communication): Whether GoW is going for nukes themselves, and if so if they are willing to sell it to us. If not, if they are willing to buy it from us. Just to make clear to them that nukes are high on our agenda, and the hear their view on this. They were unwilling to sell us Uranium, so perhaps they don't want to distribute space flight either.

DeepO

[DeepO]

BTW, a copy of your last message to GoW could be sent to Vox, CH. Exactly the same questions...

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

If we're fighting for pride and second place, and assuming that an attack on Bob would trigger the ND-GoW MPP, should we now tell GoW that should the war with ND be taken eventually to Bob, GS has no territorial aims there? (Though reinstalling RP in Spain would be a brilliant ending for us.)

Put bluntly to GoW : "Join us against ND and you win."