Dealing with GoW

[Theseus]

[Cort Haus]

OK, I assume its all fine including the clause where GoW get all cities on Stormia (j/k).

Theseus, I'm presuming that work & stuff has prevented you from dropping that line to Aggie or drafting something for RP. Also your mailbox is full - or was very recently.

However, If we leave it any longer we might run out of time. If I get the chance later I'll draft something for RP, or call a chat with them - but I'm rehearsing tonight so can't work on stuff for us then.

Despite all efforts to rally the team, it just ain't happening. I am getting somewhat demoralised

[Cort Haus]

GS-GoW Contract - draft 0.04

However, not so demoralised that the ideas have dried up...

Addition to Article XII - Completion of Contract.

3. In recogntion that GS is not GoW's only potential customer, GS would seek to be given an option, prior to and close to the completion of contract, for the re-hiring of GoW in a subsequent assignment.

[Theseus]

Good call. It is prolly too early to go after Lego, but we need to make sure GoW is not hired by them to come after us!

Re land: Let's try to get away with the jungle as the border for now. They will probably want the lux area to the SW of the jungle, but let's make them ask for it, and then negotiate splitting it.

CH, can you assemble a complete version of the proposed contract and post it (zipped, if you want) for final editing?

[Cort Haus]

Phew! Thanks for saying something about the land, I was having kittens about that!

I PM'd Togas, saying that we are negotiating a peace and that we might want to chat. Sorry if I jumped the gun, but I feel the hand of urgency upon us. (see log)

I'll post the whole contract now...

[Cort Haus]

GS-GoW contract - v0.010

Edit's : Typos in articles II.1, II.2 , XIII.3, XV fixed
Numbering removed from single para articles VIII, X, XV.
Typo edited in VII.4
Article XIV - the word 'treaty' replaced by 'contract'

ARTICLE I - Objective

1. The two nations of Gathering Storm and Glory of War, whose sovereign interests have until recently been opposed in a titanic struggle for balance of power on the continent of Bob, have come to recognise that the stalemate in the Second Bobian War can serve the interests of neither side.
2. The source of the clash of interests - GS's MPP defense of Spain and GoW's contract to remove the RP Civ from Spanish soil must be honourably resolved.
3. A realignment of the balance of power is understood by both sides to be their only realistic chance of victory, with the ultimate need of both sides being to have enough productive land and access to resources to be able to eventually compete with the power to the west, Lego, enjoying a large productive continent to itself, and unimpeded in its economic development thus-far by conflict.
4. The primary obstacle to the aspirations of both GoW and GS, however, is recognised to be the Bobian power of Neu Demogyptia. This contract between the nations of Glory of War and Gathering Storm defines the terms and conditions of the hiring of the mercenary nation of GoW by GS to join and co-ordinate forces in a military and economic alliance to remove Neu Demogyptia from the game.


ARTICLE II - Honouring existing contractual obligations

1. GS respects the existing contract between GoW and ND requiring RP to be removed from the continent of Bob.
2. GoW respects the existing alliance contract between GS and RP including Mutual Protection.
3. GS to clarify to RP that their continued protection and alliance with GS is dependent on RP making and maintaining peace with GoW as required by GS.
4. RP and GoW to mutually end all hostile and destructive intent towards the other party.


ARTICLE III - Conclusion of hostilities between GoW and GS

1. All Roleplay cities on Bob to be transferred to GS.
2. GS transfer selected cities on N.Stormia to RP.
3. Peace offered and accepted between all parties.


ARTICLE IV - Payment for Contract

1. Delivering the removal of RP from Bob, and enabling GoW to fulfil their existing contract with ND is seen as part payment from GS to GoW against the GS contract with GoW to eliminate ND from the game.
2. Agreement on land rights to make GoW the dominant landowner on Bob upon eventual defeat of ND
3. Allied participation between GS and GoW to defeat ND, with GoW taking the lion's share of the territorial spoils - giving them a large contiguous portion of Bob as far south as the jungle - would be seen as a substantial balance of the payment.
4. Once GS have Gunpowder, GoW can select a technology they would like GS to research for them as part payment of the contract. On completion, GS will deliver that technology to GoW.
5. GS is also able, in the medium and long tem, to deliver a majority portion of the overall research effort to also constitute a portion of the net payment.
6. For the final part of the payment, GoW are to be awarded the honour and glory of inflicting the final blow to ND.


ARTICLE V - Non Aggression

1. Neither nation shall attack the other during the duration of the contract unless it is mutually agreed to by both partners.
2. Neither nation shall declare war on the other during the duration of the contract unless it is mutually agreed to by both partners.


ARTICLE VI - Technology

1. At the time of treaty, GS lag behind GoW in tech, but as soon as they are level, they will be able to contribute strongly to a shared, co-ordinated research program.
2. GS are have partially researched Invention, but will need the remainder of that technology and Gunpowder to (a) be aware of the location of Saltpeter deposits, (b) deliver Musketmen to the battlefield, and (c) start contributing to a joint research program.


ARTICLE VII - Optional Rider Upgrade Program

1. In recognition of the unique battlefield abilities af the famed GoW Rider Regiments, developed in combination with the military productive power of Leonardo's Workshop, GS considers that the contract may be more swiftly completed by diverting a portion of its own commercial output to their partners GoW for the purposes of upgrading Horsemen/Chariots to Riders. For the purposes of concluding the contract, it makes more sense for GS gold to be spent on upgrading a 3-move knight at half price than a 2-move knight at full price. GS would continue to produce its own Knights, though less than it could otherwise produce.
2. GS would like to offer GoW the opportunity to benefit from this scheme, in appreciation of the efficient military machine that the GoW Civ has constructed, and to the mutual benefit of both parties.
3. Under the program, the transfer of GS economic power into GoW military power would be a firm indication of the trust and honour placed in GoW by GS. By strengthening their partners relative to themselves, GS is offering GoW a fail-safe security guarantee against a hypothetical GS 'backstab'.
4. The level of gpt transfer would be determined by the economic conditions, capabilities, and logistics on the ground, and thus beyond the scope of this document. It might also vary from turn to turn as is pragmatic, rather than fixed-rate deals. A rule of thumb would be 'to significantly strengthen GoW's capacity to fulfil the contract without significantly leaving GS vunerable to a balance of power deficit in relation to their partner'.
5. Should GoW wish to take up this option, they will be enjoying an additional payment to the already-comprehensive renumeration package offered by GS in Article IV, and will also gain a security guarantee from GS. In a reciprocal gesture which would both honourably provide GS with a security guarantee from GoW, and serve the mutual interests of the fulfilment of the contract, GoW would deliver to GS the technologies of Invention and Gunpowder, with the benefits to both parties that would bring as described in Article VI
6. GS intend to deploy the economic potential of the RP refugees in protected northern Stormia to contribute to the ongoing struggle against ND, by making GPT payments to GS. It is apparant that this source of income could make a valuable net contribution to the proposed Rider Upgrade Program, thus assisting the contractual partners GoW and GS to fullfil their mission. It would be hoped that if GoW choose to partake in this program they would see the value of RP's alliance to GS in their contribution to the mutual cause.

ARTICLE VIII - Luxuries

Both parties to share available luxuries with each other as far as is reasonably possible.


ARTICLE IX - Strategic Resources

1. Ideally, full access by both parties should be arranged to all necessary resources - preferably under full urban control, but through trade if necessary.
2. In case of insufficient access to enough of each resource, parties with sole access should co-operate with temporary trade arrangements to allow the other side to upgrade / initiate builds.


ARTICLE X - Wonders of the World

The partners shall inform each other of what Great Wonders of the world they are planning to construct.


ARTICLE XI - Status of the Spanish nation of Roleplay

1. In addition to Article II para 3 above, GS will clarify to RP that their full co-operation with the GoW-GS contract is required under the terms of the existing protection arrangements offered to RP by GS. This co-operation will require the Spanish refugees in N.Stormia to undertake solely economic development work in their new home, with surplus commercial output being made available to GS so that it may contribute to the cause of eliminating ND.
2. Under these demilitarised conditions, RP will consitute no threat to GoW, but will instead be a net contributer to the goal of the contract.
3. Should the Spanish people not accept the terms of their continued protection by GS, perhaps for religious reasons, and given that GS has already paid a substantial price in the cause of their protection - they may elect to dissolve themselves as a nation and exit the game, delivering all holdings to GS.
4. Should the Spanish people accept the terms, and loyally demonstrate a committment to the requirements of GS and their partners GoW, and if substantial political realignment were to take place in that nation to banish their hostile intent towards GoW, they should be allowed to return to a restricted portion of southern Spain, into areas not sharing a boundary with the intended southern borders of GoW upon completion of the contract.


ARTICLE XII - Envisioned Map and border agreements

After completion of the contract:
1. All lands north of the Bobian jungle to be GoW's
2. Land south of the jungle to be allocated to GS and other possible GoW allies in the fight against ND, in accordance with Article XI para 4.
3. Exact staus of border area - tbd


ARTICLE XIII - Completion of Contract

1. Completion of contract shall be deemed to have occured upon the delivery of the final blow to ND to remove them from the game. The satisfaction of this act shall be granted to GoW in accordance with the terms of payment above, unless both parties agree that the timing of the final act is essential for the necessary elimination of ND on that turn.
2. Upon completion, a mandatory 20 turns of peace shall exist between both parties to this contract.
3. In recognition that GS is not GoW's only potential customer, GS would seek to be given an option, prior to and close to the completion of contract, for the re-hiring of GoW in a subsequent assignment.


ARTICLE XIV - Ratification

1. Once this treaty has been signed by the representatives of each partner, those representatives are responsible for taking the contract back to be ratified by the appropriate consitutional bodies in each nation of Gathering Storm and Glory of War.

2. Upon ratification by the consitutional bodies or Glory of War and Gathering Storm and notification of this ratification in each case is sent to the other nation, this contract will go into effect and the partners will be bound by its terms.


ARTICLE XV - Amendments

This treaty may be amended if representatives of the two partners mutually agree to an ammended version of the treaty and such an ammended treaty is then ratified using the guidelines found in Article XIV.


SIGNATURES

[Arrian]

Awesome work, Cort. I like it.

Re: land. I'd say we start with trying for a jungle border, but be prepared to concede a bit.

Typo in section XII:

2. Land south of the jungle to be allocated to GS and other possible GoW allies in the fight against ND, in accordance with Article XII para 4.

It should be Article XI - the preceding one regarding RP's status vis-a-vis GoW and possibly getting them back to Bob.

More problems are being had with the game itself, so the time pressure is somewhat relieved (see public forum - RoP issues with Lego&GoW).

-Arrian

[Theseus]

Minor stuff:

II.1 - 'the' before 'existing'
II.2 - 'the' before 'existing'
XIII.3 - recognition
XV.1 - amended

Again, great job!!! I think this puppy is ready to go out.

[Octavian X]

First, (and this is from the picky person in my heart ) you probably want to remove the numbering from the single-itemmed artices (Article XV, for exmaple).

Second, if you guys want to wait around 24 hours, I think I can take the contract and spice it up with a bit humor/roleplay...

[Cort Haus]

Typos edited and numbering removed from single-item articles.

If it needs to be improved, as was suggested, then well maybe, but I might get sore if the wording was shot to pieces - it was a labour of love in places. If it works, albeit a little sober, do we need to fix it and risk quibbling over prose styles when time is of the essense?

OTOH - if roleplay language is better, and we can afford to delay, then whatever's best.

[Cort Haus]

Couple of edits :

Typo edited in VII.4 (spurious 'and' removed)
Article XIV - the word 'treaty' replaced by 'contract'

[Cort Haus]

Octavian,

Seeing as we really ought to have agreement with RP on this before we give GoW the contract, there probably is time for a shot at a style makeover.

I'll put some points together for the basis of the RP discussions later. That might definitely be one to garb-up, if you fancy it.

[Cort Haus]

Draft eye-opener for RP

THis is what I'd like to say to RP. Feel free to do whatever to this. If no-one comes up with anything and the turn passes to RP I'll tweak it and send it to Togas anyway.

Here is the plan:

GS are in negotiations with GoW to conclude their current contract with ND, make peace with GS and RP, then be hired by GS to eliminate ND from the game. Completion of their existing contract can be attained by relocating RP in N.Stormia.

GoW will be offered an attractive payment by GS for the proposed new contract, which if they accept will include the provision for RP to be returned to parts of Spain, though not sharing a border with GoW, after the successful conclusion of the war against ND. This would depend on another provision of the contract, that GoW and RP would drop their mutual animosity and intent to destroy each other.

Under the plan, RP would continue to be a valuable ally of GS in the fight against ND - not militarily, but economically. We would like RP to use their new capital and other cities gifted to them in N. Stormia to build transferable economic infrastructure - marketplaces, courthouses and harbors which, on RP's return to Spain would be transferred to GS, who will then enjoy semi-productive cities in North Stormia. Meanwhile, RP can aid GS by offering gpt payments from their interim economy to help pay for upgrades in the fight against ND. Naturally RP will continue to recieve GS military protection during this period.

If we are successful against ND, we would probably intend to take out another contract with GOW - this time against Lego. It is our hope that in the course of working with GoW as contractual allies, the inevitable historical animosity between RP and GoW would be at first alleviated by the common cause, and eventually minimised by the development of trust and co-operation. The better relations are between GoW and RP, the stronger RP will be able to grow.

In the course of discussions with GoW they hinted that the story about GS having no Saltpeter might not have come from reliable sources. We are working on terms of the deal which will include GS recieving Invention and Gunpowder upfront, to help resolve this issue.

We are currently in a one-turn cease-fire with GoW. They will ping some of our Knights with Cats for appearances, but obviously if a deal is to be struck it must be as soon as possible, as GoW cannot keep up appearances for long, and GS and GoW have no wish to destroy each others units at this point. If RP are in agreement, they can gift GS all their cities but Pamp on your next turn if we were able to close the deal quickly. (to ensure the Palace jump the following turn would send the Palace to Stormia.) It might not be possible, but with the RoP bug back again we might have the delay we need. How you could get rid of Pamp without destroying it I don't know, but unless there is another way it might come to that. We're open to suggestions.

We hope this isn't too shocking - we think it's the best bet our alliance has of winning the game.

[Theseus]

1. We need to communicate that we will re-build cities and infrastructure in Spain for them.

2. Can't we declare war and capture Pamplona?

Great job.

What an eye-opener for RP!!

Hmmm...

3. We definitely need to arrange a chat with them.

[Octavian X]

Well, if anyone's curious, I'm trying to spice up the GoW proposal right now...