by now....

[DeepO]

oh, nye, those 2 will probably be in Salamanca by now... they could reach it if they went for it. So yes, 11 at most. Quite a force

DeepO

[Velociryx]

Badams' post was music to my ears! It would appear that our diplomatic offensive is having an effect!!

-=Vel=-

[DeepO]

Haven't seen the latest yet, but Vel, aren't you starting to feel the pain of posting in public too? It seems like the fire is out of your posts, which I understand fully. Yesterday I wanted to reply to Vondrack (as he is one of the few people who really matter in this conversation, together with the other Legos and Voxian), but decided otherwise... I don't want to get involved in that battlezone again.

They've got a point though: saving RP is not really a honorable thing for us to do, it is propaganda. We didn't entered this war to save RP, we did it to keep ND and GoW from gaining too much. The honor part lays in us trying to not break any deals...

DeepO

[Shiber]

Exactly.
I don't think there's any point in claiming that we had any ulterior motives when we came to RP's help (particularly because AFAIK we hadn't, and I'd like to stick to the truth, all the truth (at least the unclassified parts) and nothing but the truth).
Everyone knows that we act according to what we think is our best interest, excluding special cases. The repulsion from the idea of gang-banging RP that some of us have expressed certainly played a part in our ultimate decision, but not a major one IMHO.

[DeepO]

well, as nye said, there has been discussion about not joining gangrape, but it was a minor advantage... RP has truely pissed us off beforehand (I wonder why, BTW. GoW has done us much more wrong in game, and we're looked upon more favorably then RP). If it was e.g. ND under attack from 2 nations, we would not had the same difficult decission to make, we would not even consider siding against them

DeepO

[Shiber]

RP annoyed us (AFAIK) more than GoW even though it was GoW that screwed us the most because RP were more arrogant about it. GoW were more like "hey, we're mercenaries so we can do that" and we went along with it, but RP had to blow it in people's faces.
And of course there was Togas's fake role-played piety which we may have taken too seriously (as have other people, including UnOrthOdOx).
Oh, and there was also that thing between Togas and NYE. And then that chat log... (bleah!) but Togas has already given a lengthy public apology and said several things that must have taken either a lot of guts and maturity, or a lot of pressure from thoughts bottled-up, or both, to express in public.

But RP is so much easier to cooperate with than GoW. They may have been over-complacent in their position before the Bobian war, but they did their thinking tand learned the lessons. GoW have been hot-heads since the beginning of the game and don't show any signs of improving.

[Velociryx]

Nahhh, I'm not really experiencing too much pain in posting in the public eye....I have been shifting gears and tactics as I read the audience, and have discovered just how vast the gulf is between us....but we'll close that gap....we will....

-=Vel=-

[Shiber]

[Velociryx]

By the way....can someone tell me a bit of trivia? What I would like to know is:

Are there any citizens with our own culture living on Bob right now?

What I mean is....do we have any Stormian citizens who were born, and are natives of Bob? I got a plan....

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

And by the way....we NEED that (the above)....we need to keep at least one Spanish city until it grows by one, and gives us a population point bearing our own culture ON Bob...if we don't have it already, can someone keep me posted and let me know when we do? I will, with that population point and blessed event, give our presence there legitimacy....

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

Vel,

As of now, the nationality of the citizens in RP's cities are switching back and forth, due to the way city gifting works.

If you gift a city, the nationality of the citizens automatically switches over to the receiving civ. Thus, while we control RP's cities, they are filled with GS citizens. When we give 'em back, they are filled with RP's citizens.

HOWEVER, we did build our own city over there - Sircocco. Size 1, last I saw. Coastal, 3-3 of New Madrid, IIRC.

-Arrian

[Velociryx]

Damn! Well, that's okay...if we have built a city over there, then as soon as it hits size two, we'll have a native-born Bobian with our culture....and THAT is the magic bullet.

That is the thing which gives us the legitimacy to remain forever on Bob...to protect the native-born members of that land's population who share our cultural heritage....

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

More propoganda, Vel? Feel free, but you know as well as I that no one is gonna buy that.

-Arrian

[Velociryx]

Doesn't matter if the teams don't buy it...history is on our side there...lots of historical prescedent to draw from, and we can win points in the general forums by calling for a cessation of the crusade to kick us off Bob, on the day that we get our native born pop point....

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

Nah, they can just counter by saying that pop point is a "colonist" sent by the Imperialist GS. Sure, that's BS too, but it's all BS, no?

I think we're fine on the propoganda front for now, and I'd prefer we apply ourselves to working out exactly how we're going to turn the tide in the war.

But if you must, you must.

-Arrian