by now....

[Velociryx]

Ahhh, I nearly forgot to mention....I gave considerable thought to the underlying purpose OF that post, and the real target is Lego/Vox, although it is addressed to GoW/ND, on the thinking that perhaps it will cause them to re-evaluate their own reactions and responses. Clearly, the other two have already decided, and as we are fighting right now, "death to the strat guys" and "the game at hand" amount to the same thing. Their purposes have in effect, intersected with prevailing game events.

Not so yet with Lego and Vox, however....so if a measure of guilt (or something like it) can be used as a means to temper their actions....

-=Vel=-

[asleepathewheel]

great job on the spite message, succinctly cuts through the bs we've faced the entire game, nice work.

[Velociryx]

Thanks man....and I shall go right on cutting through the BS.....they have propaganda. We shall have truth, and it shall put them to shame.....

-=Vel=-

[Theseus]

I'm back, and caught up.

Two things occur to me:

1) Vel, man, you never let me down!! Holy cr*p, I think you overloaded their circuits! Sorta like Norman in the original Star Trek.

Methinks the StormHawk Party is ready for another appearance.

2) We gotta heck of a war goin' on... but when's the shooting start?

[Velociryx]

Thank you Theseus! I'm....doin' what I can....liked your idea about unleashing hell on them, btw....I say we do both....at least make some forrays in the south to focus their attention there, while building for a MUCH bigger surprise later?

-=Vel=-

[Theseus]

I'm into messin' with them in the south, although I continue to think that forcing them to move across the entire arc has value, especially in terms of wasting the 3-move advantage.

I'd like to trick them into *continuing* to over commit in the south, and then cut them to pieces.

[Velociryx]

An excellent plan! What say you to the notion of grabbing V and then making noise like we're about to extend that operation....prompting a further reinforcement of the south?

A question here: Do we have sufficient force to hold all our cities if we add V to the fold?

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

...cos if not, then I propose that we simply mass at the ridgeline NE of V and make it LOOK like we're prepping an attack....then, if something unexpected happens to US, we can pull back and relocate troopages!

-=Vel=-

[Velociryx]

As to Pamplona....so long as RP keeps the bulk of her forces there (~29 units and growing....I'm assuming they're building additional troops, or a barracks if there's not already one there), I think it will be the Anvil upon which ND breaks themselves. Fortified troops in the city and a lot of them....ND will be hard pressed to crack that, and it will keep a largish portion of their force tied down right there...which is good. Frees us up to do other nasty things....

-=Vel=-

[notyoueither]

The problem with waiting in the South...

Pamplona could fall to combined attack from Leon and Salamanca. I am sure that Pamplona could stand to ND, but throw in GoWs 11 riders and...

[Velociryx]

Hmmm....that's a good point, NYE....and I don't think we should wait long in the south....the initial thrust into V will happen pretty quickly, but after that, there may or may not be a pause to the next target, depending on resistence encountered, disposition of their forces, and such. If we ambush and kill a bunch, hey! We can just sweep the area and have done with it....if not, it'll be much more cat-and-mouse.

I think tho, that Pamplona is....at least fairly safe from the double team.

I doubt if either of the allies want to sacrifice a significant portion of their combat ability on a singluar target, only to let the other get the prize, and I think that will stave off any massive attack....besides, if they did manage to take Pamplona, they'd be so shattered in the effort that we could ease right in after them, which would put them in a pickle....two big stacks gone, no prize at all, and GS gaining another city on Bob....

-=Vel=-

[zeit]

I agree with NYE- I also we should take out S before commit most of our forces to anything else- who knows, 10 turns from now, we might get the idea that Z and around are open for an attack- moving our front from P to Z won't mean overextension of our defense, and if, for example, ND attack like madmen with all they have, and RP and us feel like we could get some cities back without serious risk, I think we should have the ability to. With S in GoW's hands, we can't.

Btw- its just 9 (perhaps 7-8), two of them ran up north (but perhaps they could me from around).

[DeepO]

True enough... P is under threat. However, we can assess that risk better when we attack Valencia, and nobody says we can't bring some troops closer to Salamanca (preferably from the North). The thing is, can we manage with what we have right now (possibly with whatever we can upgrade with our current gold reserves, we still have some WCs left that could be shipped as knights to RP), and save all the rest for an invasion up North?

The reason why I would prefer attacking the North before the South is secure is that it is not the most obvious thing to do. Of course, it holds a bit more risk, but if we want to avoid having a long-winded slug fest in the South, away from GoW's production core we need to act soon. Plus, it holds more risk to RP, but not overly so: we still are relatively able to hold onto their other cities (once we have good defenses in place), so in case P would fall, they are not lost completely.

But I agree, it is a risk... and sorry to say it, but the only good thing about that risk is that is more a risk to RP then it is to us. The gains can profit both, though, with GoW's core damaged we could indeed have a shot at conquering Bob, and dividing it between RP and ourselves. Otherwise our chances are slim, we're fending off 2 teams here, while RP has no real production left.

DeepO

[notyoueither]

The 2 are near Pamplona. They can be counted in the assault for 11 GoW riders.

[DeepO]

in short... it might be a bold thing to do, but if they don't suspect it, it might hold the most profits... going for the South first will be safer, but will take a lot longer to perform, if we even could get there in the end (which is not certain by far)

DeepO