GoW- Diplomacy comments #2

[OPD]

Originally posted by Theseus
What was F-P's MP philosophy? Put the pointy end of the stick in the other guy?

RP off bob would be tricky, it can be an option if GoW are unwilling to screw ND.

GoW are seriously overplaying their hand here, they have a deal with ND for half of Bob bit that isn't worth anything as it's not going to happen. It's even worth less than that as they are in serious risk of losing what they have and not gaining anything at all.

We can offer them half or even more of Bob and actually make it happen, we could even offer them all of Lego too if they agree to both of us going there after ND......

[Arrian]

I don't think we can accept RP off Bob. It's something to ponder, but I just don't see it being worth our while. We probably have to fight this out.

-Arrian

[Theseus]

WHOA... friggin' awesome, OPD. You should be in the Foreign Offfice. You remind me of the older gentleman with the cane in Lawrence of Arabia.

[one nit to pick: you did describe RP as a puppet state... I know that that has been becoming glaringly obvious to the opposition, but thus far we have otherwise maintained a stance of neutrality and 'Bob balance'.]

Anybody else feel GoW's pain? They know that the current path is a losing proposition... they are DYING for a reason to take down ND.

Am I crazy? A coalition of GS (lead nation), GoW (mercs in a very honorable Renaissance Italy kind of way), and RP (refugees but, DAMNIT, survivors) taking down Lego?

[DeepO]

guys, before going to far: GoW can't be trusted. Ever. We can, they can't... and we promised to protect RP, so we can't simply say "Hey, go ahead, we'll look the other side while you masacre RP"

As to rewards: They can keep the land they take from ND. We will nog give them anything before we have received more from them (i.e. we won't give them any gold / land before ND is out of the game). We still have our word they can trust, they have nothing for us, so anything that we give them before we get something first I will object too.

Further, keep up the good work, and keep asking for contracts. If we don't get them to backstab ND or Lego, so be it, but at least they will be kept off balance. But please not too many mentions of invasions if we want ot perform one

DeepO

[OPD]

yeah sorry about that, i didn't know what to say when he suggested we were going to invade.

[DeepO]

no problem, OPD... I think we can force them a little. Plus they know for sure we are thinking of invading them. But it can't become something that gets repeated every 2 chats, or they know where we'll land. Their major assurance is that ND is blocking access to GoW lands, and they know it... of course they want to keep us in that position.

DeepO

[asleepathewheel]

OPD-

good work, interesting chat

you said that some left GS because of the NAP? Is that true? And who left because of it?

[OPD]

Nah I made that up

[DeepO]

OPD, that last proposed message to GoW certainly is harsh... I would pack it more like: "we would like assurances that if we leave Bob alone, and want to go after ND together, we do not lose more then we already did. Therefore, we think some technology transfer from you to us before we cease our little walk in your territory is in order."

Don't talk about payment, they do not have to pay us to buy their freedom. I'm pretty sure that, even if they see this as a possible threat, they feel confident that they can overcome our invasion force... certainly with Lego backing them.

Further, I wouuld tell something like "you may wish to invade Estonia, however we find it unlikely you would be able to do so... this war is on Bobian soil only for the time being"

Oh. and I would certianly get some inexpensive units back to Estonia, to prevent them from getting any ideas.

DeepO

[DeepO]

Oh, forgot... those assurances are only tokens of goodwill that they would be willing to attack ND, instead of just coming for us

DeepO

[Theseus]

Damnit, we are NOT going to call it an "RPodus"!!

(good job, OPD )

[Theseus]

I'm glad Aggie responded... I was starting to worry that GoW would stonewall us.

Should we proffer terms?

[Tall Stranger]

I'd like to see what their response is first, of course. So far, all the log says is that GoW will talk about it among themselves. That said, we ought to figure out what we want out of this, and what we're willing to offer, so that we can cement a deal relatively quickly, if necessary.

[OPD]

Still no response from GoW

I don't think we should put any pressure on them yet or suggest possible terms. Perhaps just sending a message saying "if there's anything we can do to help you make your mind up just ask" would be a good idea.

[Theseus]

We will possibly having a chat with Lego dissidents tomorrow evening... we should chat with GoW as well.

I have pretty good relationships with both MZ and Un0... I can shoot them PMs here or at MZO tomorrow, or, if Arrian or OPD would prefer, they can follow up.

But communication with GoW needs to hapen, not waiting on Aggie.