GoW- Diplomacy comments #2

[vulture]

Should we start testing the leak by feeding it false information? Not sure what info we can give. This would involve lying to RP of course, but since the information won't be critical (or even important) to them, that doesn't look like a big issue.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Arrian
Oh, by the way, it seems pretty clear to me that we have a leak. GoW should not know we are landing "large numbers of troops" on Bob. They *could* be guessing, but it sure sounds like someone on RP told them.

We'll mention it to RP in our next chat.
Edit: I like Vulture's idea better. What do you suggest we tell them?

[DeepO]

No, if we saw it on 106, they kept only a 9 turn NDA. Maybe time to start making a book of grudges too

For Chivalry: they completed the deal on turn 120, we got it at 121, and the first they saw we have traded it on is on turn 131. Which leaves 11 turns before gifting it, and seeing it in other hands... not 10.

DeepO

[edit: massive crosspost... strangely enough nobody commented on this previously. This was in response to the 106 NDA comment by Aeson, BTW]

[DeepO]

Re: leak: that's not certain, definately not if Inchon would be our only lead, or if 'large numbers of troops' would be the intel. But, what does worry me is that on the one hand we have UnO saying he did not tell it to GF, as it was a unvoluntary leak from another game he did not want to feed his own team, on the other we have GF coming with almost the same information. Either UnO is deceiving us, or we have a doube leak

We should mention it to RP, but it's not sure they can help it. Plus there might be other leaks as well, e.g. a slip from Trip, or from one of us... do not say to RP: "oh BTW, you have a leak, we're certain about that"

DeepO

[Theseus]

Shiber, you havin' fun poking that stick in GF's eye?

[Shiber]

You have no idea

[Arrian]

That was a good one, Shiber.

-Arrian

[Shiber]

thanks

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by DeepO
We should mention it to RP, but it's not sure they can help it. Plus there might be other leaks as well, e.g. a slip from Trip, or from one of us... do not say to RP: "oh BTW, you have a leak, we're certain about that"

DeepO

I know how he found out and it certainly wasn't because of me.

[Shiber]

Could you at least say if it is a mole or not?
IMHO, if there is in fact a mole, this situation requires intervention. Most people would agree that this is against the rules, since players are not freelancers, but members of a team.

[Jon Shafer]

Sorry, I can't say. Unless it's a real case of "cheating" then teams and individual players can do whatever they want, and if that's the situation then I can't red-flag it.

So you gotta figure this one out on your own.

[Aeson]

I sure hope it isn't one of my other personalities...

[Shiber]

I've considered the option that RP might be cheating on us behind our backs. There's sense in them wanting to give us a harder time fighting on Bob - they're betting that we're going to win anyway, but they'd rather if it was more difficult for us and we'd be weakened, so that they will face less of a threat when they backstab us...
...or any other conspiracy theory.
The point is, this could be sponsored by RP.

We can know whether RP is involved in this somehow (either deliberately, or one of their members is a rat) by feeding them with false information, as Vulture suggested. We have to say something believable, and yet surprising, and it needs to have a discernable effect that we can monitor on the actions of GoW and/or ND.
Shall we tell them that we intend to move four galleys full of vet knights into Bilbao in three turns and use the fact that its a coastal city to get moves immediately when we land and attack GoW's stack? If GoW moved all their riders towards Toledo this turn and did not bother with Bilbao, but sends a rider to backtrack and eliminate Bilbao next turn, then I think that there's a good chance that something is fishy in RP.

[DeepO]

Sorry, I think that's too much. We have no proof that any leak (if there is even one) is on RP's side, so we can't start feeding them wrong information, and see if it gets out. For the moment, we should treat this as: "Okay, there might be a leak somewhere, so let's keep all essential information to our own". After all, there is a big chance this was a undeliberate, one-of-a-kind spill from anyone involved, and with over 30 people knowing about Inchon, that even isn't such a wild guess.

This even doesn't take into account that many of us, if they knew Inchon was switching hands, would deduce that the only reason to do that was to either help RP get some troops closer to home, or that GS gifted some cats to RP. Both of which will, in the words of GF, be described as massive amounts of troops teleported to Bob.

DeepO

[DeepO]

Oh, and Trip, no offense, but you were one of the 30 people knowing about what was happening, thus needed to be mentioned at least once. I'm not eyeballing you specifically, you know

DeepO