GoW- Diplomacy comments #2

[zeit]

Yes we are still in war with them.

Do you want me to urge GoW to quicken the pace, unless they want to lose a customer (I'll get them to understand, without being rude), or get a nice price for it.

I think we should at least tell them we're quite concerned with their apparent lack of investment in research.

[Shiber]

I wouldn't tell them that we're concerned. We should be the strong side, the confident side, the guys saying "hey GoW, just thought we'd let you know that with that kind of ETA we don't really need you, we can research it ourselves twice as fast so either forget about us as a customer or quicken your pace, or at least commit to giving us a good price in exchange for us not researching the tech ahead of you and pulling off something similar to what you did to us with Feudalism on you" in a diplomatic way.

[alva]

How fast we could do it ourselves if we make it full speed ahead, or at a reasonable speed?

Therotically we could do it in 4 (we would need some sponsoring though), at 7 turns we would still be losing money (1gold), don't forget that we still are in our GA, I think 10 turns is a reasonable estimate.

[Aeson]

I'd say let them plod along. Gives us more time to build up Horses and gold for upgrades. If everyone else in the world is waiting for them to research it, we can wait too. We shouldn't spend 5 times the commerce on getting it given how much we get back for our techs in trades.

[Arrian]

No rush, I agree with Aeson.

-Arrian

[zeit]

I've send UnO our idea for peace with Vox, as MSS suggested.

I hope they'd understand it as an attempt to get their support for the move, and see it as another act of arrogance.

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by zeit
I've send UnO our idea for peace with Vox, as MSS suggested.

I hope they'd understand it as an attempt to get their support for the move, and see it as another act of arrogance.

They shouldn't. You seem to have developed a rapport with UnO, he respects us, and that will help. As long as we are "asking" and not "expecting," "demanding," or "pushing," it should come across as an honest dialog.

Mss

[zeit]

What about the chat UnO suggested (and now pushes for...) a couple of messages ago?

I got no response, but I guess I didn't ask for one either...

They seem to want to discuss some issue, and not just a chit-chat. Perhaps this was another reason for a change in office (UnO's coming). I think we'll need more than just 1 or 2 representatives- more like 3, with our FAM, MSS in as well (you thought you could escape, havn't you? ).
I'd say I'd join, but it depends on when and other RL stuff. But I don't think I'll contribute that much- my typing is just too slow for these mediums (I think I could manage with ND), but I'll make an effort to, as an ambassador.

[notyoueither]

If no one else is available, I can attend a chat. I am also usually available at the times that UnO is (10pm to midnight EST).

[zeit]

I got more details from UnO, check the log.

0200 GMT- day to be decided (I guess).

For me this time is not quite convenient to say the least, at 4am, we'll chat till sundown... , so I'm not sure I'd be able to attend.

Anyway, I think we should send a decent envoy, as this looks like it's gonna be a serious one.

I'll count NYE. I think we could use at least one more, preferably our FAM.
OTOH, if we can't have enough members to attend a chat at these time, we'll have to work on changing it.

Let us set the time first, then discuss the agenda.

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by notyoueither
If no one else is available, I can attend a chat. I am also usually available at the times that UnO is (10pm to midnight EST).

These times would work for me but I am not avaiable untill thursday or Friday. My Folks are in town 'till friday morning and its been keeping me real occupied

Mss

[notyoueither]

Log posted.

I feel bad about speaking out against MSS in that one part regarding us giving engineering in exchange for being given a blessing to kill Vox. I apologise, MSS.

However, part of the job of any of our spokesmen would be to properly gauge our priorities. To allow GoW to go away feeling that they might have a deal on that point could have given many members of GS coniptions. My reading of this forum is that we are killing Vox. That is not negotiable, and it would be a grave insult to many that we must 'purchase' the right to do away with the mortal enemies who have conived at every turn.

Be that as it may, I apologise.

[Arrian]

Damn skippy, NYE.

Vox dies, and I'm not gonna "compensate" anybody for it, ESPECIALLY not a civ that took money in exchange for helping our enemies. Even if they are nice and on good terms with us right now.

However, the chat was a good thing overall, since we gleened important info, and perhaps have ourselves a diplomatic opening for influencing the balance of power on Bob (if GoW gets hit, maybe they will ask for assistance... and maybe, if we want, we will assist).

-Arrian

[notyoueither]

The way I'm reading things, I'd say Lego is the sugar daddy. Grrrr.

[Arrian]

Yeah, I'm coming around to that conclusion.

Have you seen ZargonX's post in the "public announcement" thread? Another appeal for peace.

Think they might be worried about losing their tech deal?

Uh-huh. Too bad, fellas, you lose. Vox dies. End of friggin' story.

-Arrian