Save Game Thread II: On the Eve of Destruction ...

[Moonbars]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
Id say you would be an expert at the game twister Moonbars because your an expert at twisting the words of the people.

This BS that you state about the Horde somehow cheating, well if you can prove this then fine, but I will enjoy watching you embarass yourself trying !

Chris,

Again you have not read my posts - I have made no claim that your team has cheated. Please, can you try and read my posts before you go flying off the handle? Again I ask you only to post if it is constructive and calm - your heated dialogue is not neccessary, is spoiling the atmosphere and I find it a little bit insulting to be honest Chris.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

You are making up your own rules to suit yourself matey.

We all know Euphorica has been delaying saves do you think you have special claim over this frustration ?

You are bound by the rules to send the save within 24 hours period.

No excuses, unless you are of the same stuff as the Bards!

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I aint flying anywhere Pal just having my words twisted by the twister man as usual, mate read your own posts !

[Moonbars]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
You are making up your own rules to suit yourself matey.

We all know Euphorica has been delaying saves do you think you have special claim over this frustration ?

You are bound by the rules to send the save within 24 hours period.

No excuses, unless you are of the same stuff as the Bards!

No, I do not think I am the only person who is affected. All I am trying to do is get agreement that from this turn on, as it appears there is no support for taking punitive actions retrospectivly, the rules will be followed and nobody will hold the save for their own team's gain.

I am not sure what you refer to when you say I am making up rules?

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I aint interested in having this conversation with you, but if you delay the turn over 24 hours i will be speaking to the admin myself to get your turn skipped

[Moonbars]

If you are not interested in talking to me, why did you reply to my post.

[Paddy]

Did you send the save

[1889]

I also think Euphorica’s delays are purposeful and not in any way the result of schedule problems or unforeseen circumstance, I PM’ed some of you about this a few weeks ago. I hope a mod will remove them and we can get back to a rapid pace that may yet save this game.

I believe that is why their last turn will need to be skipped. Mods have been hard to get a hold of so if one of them responds they should replay Euphorica and retire other wise we’ll have to go through this again in a few days.

[Moonbars]

@ Paddy - I sent the save that I played to Aqua, who can decide what he wants to do with it when he reads his email.

I considered sending the save to the Mods, and asking them to visit this thread and make a verdict, and at that point either forward my played save to the LB's, or go back and skip or retire Euphorica. I did not do this due to time constraints, I needed to get to work.. I will pick this unhappy thread up again when I get back from work at 11pm GMT. (still under 13 hoursfrom when DR got the save..)

[PLATO]

Moonbars, The fact is that your team benefits greatly if the game is reset to having the Bards turn skipped. I would consider it an exploit. This conversation should have happened before they played and when they were overdue. The events have now happened and they are now part of the History of this game. We cannot, or at least should not rewrite history in a way that will favour one team.

If the mods decide to retire the Bards next time they are due to play the save, then so be it. But to do so before they played their last turn is simply not fair to those who have played since and an exploit for those who would gain by it.

So, I agree we should contact the mods for a decision...that is why we have them...To solve disputes. However, I can in no way support a rewriting of history that is now known by so many.

Thanks for your concern over game speed. It is an issue that obviously many of us share. Now, let's get this game rolling again! Please send the save forthwith. Thanks.

[Moonbars]

the conversation did take place before and during, as you would see if you read the above (such as my post where I quote all the times snoopy has delayed the save)

I dont mind if the mods either skip the bards last turn, skip there next turn as a punishment, retire them from last turn, or retire them from their next turn - but SOME action must be taken, and before DR plays on I want to know what the rules are, and what will happen if they are broken.

You say my team would benefit from the last turn being skipped - I say your team would benefit it it isn't. Neither of us is in a non-biased position to decide, that should be left to the absent OPD.

[Omnistar]

I would, my personal opinion, call for the Moderators to give Team Euphoricans/Bards, a final ultimatum, as they ostensibly have abused the 24 hour rule more as a rule of thumb than as an exception confirming the rule. Nothing is as destructive to a multiteam demogame than a lagging, hesitant, ineffective and/or unmotivated turnplayer.

I understand that the Bards are singing their very last song, to the Desolation wardrums and Horde trumpets, and that they would likely end up where Kurt Cobain, Elvis and Jimi Hendrix went. The Bards had their heydays, but has now come to an end. We are now talking formalities in
terms of processing the termination and legacy, and epitaph if there are any.

The elimination of the Bards would speed up the game, which is quite welcome to the ones not dragging their feet. Therefore, I would recommend the moderators to give the serial-delaying Bards a terminal, final and decisive ultimatum, and if they do not go out gloriously with blazing guns, then pass into posterity as a footnote on poor netiquette and sportsmanship, which would not be in the interest of such a fiery and entertaining team that have given the world such a show.

So please pass on a terminal ultimatum and get the game going, for the good of everyone.

[Moonbars]

I agree with you statements Omnistar. My only concern is that there have been final ultimatums in the past, I think - I have not read back to check, and they've ignored them.

[Omnistar]

I think the five other teams should agree on a zero tolerance ultimatum leading to an automatic penalty, that would serve as sufficient deterrance and motivation for the bards.
Now the five teams need to agree on the formulation and terms of that terminal, not only final, but terminal ultimatum.

[Moonbars]

This I can agree with.

I will not send the save until this discussion has taken place, if I do we'll simply end up back waiting for three days whilst Euphorica "debate" what to do next, and they get away with it again.

The Lost Boys, Desolation Row and perhaps AM have stated in this thread that they would be happy to see measures taken against Euphorica. Beta of Babylon recently posted that his agreed with and would stick to the 24 hour rule, so that leaves only the Horde to make a decidion either way on what they want to happen to teams that exceed the 24 hour rule.

My vote is that any team that exceeds 24 hours from now on is skipped. In the event of a mod not being around, the game is held until one can be found to enforce the skipping. Even if the team manages to play after the 24 hours, the team they send to holds the save, the mod skips it, and play resumes.

Any team that has their turn skipped 3 tumes is Ctrl + Qd. For Euphorica, this applies to the very next time they run late.