Save Game Thread II: On the Eve of Destruction ...

[Krill]

My vote is that any team that exceeds 24 hours from now on is skipped. In the event of a mod not being around, the game is held until one can be found to enforce the skipping. Even if the team manages to play after the 24 hours, the team they send to holds the save, the mod skips it, and play resumes.

Desperate times demand desperate measures...I agree.

Any team that has their turn skipped 3 tumes is Ctrl + Qd. For Euphorica, this applies to the very next time they run late.

This I disagree with. What If we miss the next two turns, but then, right at the end of the game, we miss a third turn? We get eliminated then?

What I suggest is this: If any team has their turn skipped 3 times out of any 7 consecutive turns, their civ is eliminated from the game.

[Moonbars]

That is a good ammendment, I agree.

Euphorica are still on their final warning, late again = ctrl+Q

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by PLATO
Moonbars, The fact is that your team benefits greatly if the game is reset to having the Bards turn skipped. I would consider it an exploit.

What hypocrisy from the master of treachery

[Paddy]

This certainly is like mirror ball - shine the light and it sends relections in many directions.

[Moonbars]

The save was sent to LB on the 24hour mark. I have asked that they keep it for the full 24 hours as well, whilst we continue to clarify exactly what rules we are playing under.

Latest proposal that has support of (I believe) DR, AM and LB:

Any team that exceeds 24 hours from now on is skipped. In the event of a mod not being around, the game is held until one can be found to enforce the skipping. Even if the team manages to play after the 24 hours, the team they send too holds the save, the mod skips the tardy team, and play resumes.

Any team that has their turn skipped 3 times in seven turns is removed from the game with Ctrl + Q

I propose, in a change from my previous stance, that this rule apply form this turn onwards.

If representavies from Horde, Babylon and Euphorica could make their feelings known.. Babylon I believe support the 24 hour rule, and Horde have had posters mainly in favour.

[Ljube]

I have an additional proposal. Our admins are rarely seen around these forums lately. Perhaps we can ask someone else, like Rommel who is here more often, to take over as admin so we can have the 24 hour enforced by skipping.

Rommel is doing an excellent job in skipping those who exceed their time in Iron Civver.

[Krill]

I would suport that addition as well

Oh God, I'm agreeing with Ljube...

[Moonbars]

ah, porgress

[OPD]

Changing rules mid game is a difficult matter as teams can never claim to be completely objective.

Please note that from the start it was understood that if a team was in a serious situation (eg fighting for survival) that they would be allowed additional time. Perhaps certain teams are going to far with this but the situation is sometimes quite complicated.

However if a team is to all intents and purposes "out of the game" it would be better if that team were to retire or be retired gracefully than continue to use up time.

I do understand this situation wrt to "the Bards" but please try to see it from their point of view. Even if they are stalling repeatedly, (which you can't be certain they are) remember the situation they are in, which may be quite heartwrenching and desparate. Then perhaps instead of calling for thier heads have some understanding. Their situation will not be a permenant thing.

You wouldn't want to look back on the game and only recall moaning and bickering about time.

In short, yeah Babylon have perhaps gone too far, and it pisses everyone off and everyone is pissed but acknowledge the situation they're in, which won't last forever and remember that for the majority of the game they played very fast.

[Krill]

In short, yeah Babylon have perhaps gone too far, and it pisses everyone off and everyone is pissed but acknowledge the situation they're in, which won't last forever and remember that for the majority of the game they played very fast.

Ahem, OPD, it is Euphorica that everyone is piised off at, Babylon are OK...

[Paddy]

Originally posted by OPD
Changing rules mid game is a difficult matter as teams can never claim to be completely objective.

Please note that from the start it was understood that if a team was in a serious situation (eg fighting for survival) that they would be allowed additional time. Perhaps certain teams are going to far with this but the situation is sometimes quite complicated........

[Rubychaser]

Originally posted by OPD
Changing rules mid game is a difficult matter as teams can never claim to be completely objective.

Please note that from the start it was understood that if a team was in a serious situation (eg fighting for survival) that they would be allowed additional time. Perhaps certain teams are going to far with this but the situation is sometimes quite complicated.

However if a team is to all intents and purposes "out of the game" it would be better if that team were to retire or be retired gracefully than continue to use up time.

I do understand this situation wrt to "the Bards" but please try to see it from their point of view. Even if they are stalling repeatedly, (which you can't be certain they are) remember the situation they are in, which may be quite heartwrenching and desparate. Then perhaps instead of calling for thier heads have some understanding. Their situation will not be a permenant thing.

You wouldn't want to look back on the game and only recall moaning and bickering about time.

In short, yeah Babylon have perhaps gone too far, and it pisses everyone off and everyone is pissed but acknowledge the situation they're in, which won't last forever and remember that for the majority of the game they played very fast.

Could be an insight

[Moonbars]

Originally posted by OPD
Changing rules mid game is a difficult matter as teams can never claim to be completely objective.

Please note that from the start it was understood that if a team was in a serious situation (eg fighting for survival) that they would be allowed additional time. Perhaps certain teams are going to far with this but the situation is sometimes quite complicated.

Too objective, nobody is in a postion to judge if a team is delaying playing for game reasons, or for schedule / rl reasons. I do not remember any get-out cluases for teams that decided they needed more time.

The rules are the rules - they should be enforced, and that means that Euphorica are lucky the last 7 turns they've played have not been skipped.

It is silly that the rules can be ignored completely whenever a team announces they are "having difficulty"

[Moonbars]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot

Paddy,

Why now are you in favour of letting teams take as long as they decide they want to play their turn? this is a bit of a u-turn, no?

[ChrisiusMaximus]

I dont think Paddy is in favour of that at all, hes merely showing appreciation for OPD's voice of reason !

All the Horde are very frustrated at the slow pace of this game, as I said yesterday !

Along with my assertion that holding the save for 24 hours just because you can when youve already played is just as big a pain in the ass as what the bards stand accused of, and now your encouraging the next team to be as petty.