The Senate Floor

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Nimitz
* Nimitz signs the senate roll.

Edit: uh oh, wrong place O'well.

Senators of Rome

please be upstanding for Senator Nimitz

I hope you will all make him welcome to Rome

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot


ahhh Senator Modo, does this former Emperor really need censuring ???

He also served as your Consul / Advisor, when you were Emperor.

He served well as our initial Emperor, and is again serving Rome here in the Senate.

Indeed he does, Senator PPP. Please read the charges in the relevant threads and you will remember the slanderous behavious and disrespect for his peers this former Emperor has shown!

[Paddy]

ahhh well this matter is heading down a dark and lonely old road

I had hoped that by setting you both up in ya own thread, well that you both could get this matter resolved / sorted etc

for the Glory of Rome

[conmcb25]

Yep lets take the censure issue to the 20 paces thread please

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot
Now has anyone seen Emperor Conious ???

The days of his reign are trickling over

I strapped on my sword about 12 hours ago.

Im getting a handle on the reigns as we speak

[Aqualung71]

No, that is not the right procedure. The 20 Paces thread was used to discuss the issues and state our respective case to interested parties, which we did exhaustively.

But the Senate Floor is the forum that must consider a formal censure motion.

[conmcb25]

Ok then well lets call for a vote. I would suggest you set up a poll and link it back to hear and the Senate can vote on the measure.

Im all for Roleplaying lets just make sure it doesn't get out of hand and we get Ming'ed

[Daddy-O]

Senator Modo:
Your arguments grow weak. It was you who left the northland denfensless and forced Emperor Aqualung's hand. You called the Emperor's courage into question and called him demagogue. Apologize already or face censure! That is unless you have a daughter each of us.

Emperor Auqualung71:
I see that you sued for peace. Although this was against the wishes of the Senate, and you did have time to consult us, I think that the Senate might have agreed with your proposed actions anyway. Peace with the Celts is the course that must now be followed if we wish to defeat the Carthaginians swiftly.

I accept your apology to the Senate. It is a testiment to your courage and honor. I ask that others do the same.

To the esteemed Senate:
I motion that we decide how issues like this (suing for peace and war making) be delt with in the future.

I also motion that November 30 be declared Emperor Aqualung Day. A day to celebrate the prosperity and glory that his reign brought to Rome. Let the Streets of Rome run red with wine! ALL HAIL EMPEROR AQUALUNG!!!!

[Modo44]

Originally posted by skrobism
Senator Modo:
Your arguments grow weak. It was you who left the northland denfensless and forced Emperor Aqualung's hand.

Oh, you mean the two Legions that were ready to attack Celtic settlements, when I left the Empire to my successor? Or did you refer to the two Archers I left deployed south of the Celts? All four of which he has moved away from that territory.

Originally posted by skrobism
You called the Emperor's courage into question and called him demagogue. Apologize already or face censure! That is unless you have a daughter each of us.

No, I don't have daughters. I take it that the Empire doesn't like truth to be spoken. So be it, go ahead with the censure. But don't forget to do the same about Emperor Aqualung's reign, which forced an unfavorable peace treaty against the directions of the Senate!

[Daddy-O]

...Great now I have to come up with some legalise. Grumble grumble... Hold on...

[Daddy-O]

I motion that the Senate vote on the Censure below:
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It is the Sense of the Roman Senate that -

On 11.03.2004 06:46, in "The Great Roll of Emperors"; and on 11.08.2004 04:30, in the "Roll Of Senators", Senator Modo44 agreed to live by "The Grand Book of Rome - Our Law". Implicit in these laws is the obligation that the Emperor set an example of high moral standards and conduct himself in a manner that fosters respect for the members of the Senate and Emperors - past and present; and Senator Modo44 has egregiously failed in this obligation, and through his actions has violated the trust of the Roman people, lessened their esteem for the offices of the Emperor and Senate and dishonored the offices which they have entrusted to him.

Be it resolved that:

1. The Senator made false statements concerning the honor and courage of Emperor Aquavian Lungarius in order to cover up his previous failed attempts to eradicate the Celts;
-On 11.03.2004 13:01:
"[I] played too short to see the Celts completely eradicated."
-On 11.22.2004 00:41:
Directed at Emperor Aquavian Lungarius, "Though courage is not one of your virtues, methiks (sic)."

2. The Senator made disparaging statements concerning the honor and importance of this Senate body;
On 11.22.2004 12:56:
"Oh, you mean the long term benefit of making the Senate unimportant in directing the Empire?"

3. No person is above the law, and the Senator even though he is a past Emperor himself remains subject to penalties for this conduct, and called for this censure himself;
On 11.24.2004 11:05:
"go ahead with the censure."

4. Senator Modo44, former Emperor of Rome, by his conduct has brought upon himself and fully deserves the censure and condemnation of the Roman people and the Senate; and by his signature on this Resolution, the Senator acknowledges this censure, and unconditionally apologizes to the Roman People, the Senate and the Most Glorious Emperor Aquavian Lungarius.

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It is my hope that by putting this to a vote we can put this ugly issue behind us and proceed with the reign of Emperor Conius.

Long Live Emperor Conius!
Long Live Rome!

PPP Paddy The Scott, does this get put to a poll or an open discussion on the floor?

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Two points with regard to this motion for censure Senator Skrobism.

Firstly, you quote the first Emporer as saying,

"[I] played too short to see the Celts completely eradicated."

I think he is merely pointing out here that his term was too short to actually achieve totally eradicating the Celts!! and lets face it that is a fact. So there is no need for redress on that point!!

Secondly you quote the first Emporer,

"Oh, you mean the long term benefit of making the Senate unimportant in directing the Empire?"

I think you will find if you carefully reread the post in question, that Senator Modo was not actually saying he thought the Senate was unimportant but rather he was suggesting that was Senator Aquavian's stance.

To my mind Senator Aquavian did indeed in the heat of the argument slur the Senates importance and Senator Modo was amongst others who pointed out to him the error of his ways.

That post you quote was indeed Senator Modo pointing this out to Senator Aquavian, and so again there is no charge here to answer.

[conmcb25]

I went ahead and set up the poll

Should Modo44 be censured?

[Daddy-O]

Most honorable Senator ChrisiusMaximus and my esteemed countrymen:
The quote that refers to the failure to conquer the Celts was concerning previous attempts by Senator Modo44 to play this scenerio. His just contempt and desire to rid the world of the pathetic Celts is obviously tied to past failed attempts. Now that he failed again, though understandably so, no one could expect to wipe out an enemy within the first 25 years of our empire, the Senator attacks the Glorious Emperor Aqualung71.

Senator Modo44's statements are that the actions taken by Emperor Aqualung71 have made this Senate unimportant. It is an insult to think that any Emperor could diminish the importance of this great body.

Emperor Aqualung71 did slur the Senate and Senator Modo44 in the heat of debate. It would have been right to call for his censure but the Honorable Emperor Aqualung71 has already apologized if his words and deads insulted this Senate.

Senator Modo44 instead continues to not apologize for his slander against the former Emperor and dares to ask for his own censure.

I say give the Senator what he wants.

[Daddy-O]

Long Live Rome!