Election: Domestic Minister (term 6)

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Can anyone think of closer race in Apolytonia's history?

[WhiteBandit]

Well Trip vs. Ninot for President in Term 2 was at nearly 50/50 all the way up to nearly 100 votes :-P

Though they also believed in forming a coalition government which was shot down by the people.

I think a coalition government is a bad idea, especially in this case as you two have completely different views on how you want to run things. Neither is neccesarily bad, but this could cause many problems and much frustration in getting things done.

[adaMada]

If neither gets over 50%, we have a runoff. To be honest, even as a member of the ConCon I can't honestly say what happens if they tie again -- I'd have to check (it seemed like such a remote possibility at the time of writing ). It's probably presidental nomination, but I don't think anyone seriously considered it as a possibility .

-- adaMada

EDIT: Also, let me remind all the canidates that the remaining twenty four hours means that there will probably be another voter or two, so I suggest that they keep campeigning. I myself haven't voted in an election or two yet -- so more votes may come .

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by WhiteBandit
Well Trip vs. Ninot for President in Term 2 was at nearly 50/50 all the way up to nearly 100 votes :-P

Though they also believed in forming a coalition government which was shot down by the people.

I think a coalition government is a bad idea, especially in this case as you two have completely different views on how you want to run things. Neither is neccesarily bad, but this could cause many problems and much frustration in getting things done.

I was thinking splitting it down the middle, we would each get half of the cities and workers and race to see who could accomplish the most in one term's time.

Kind of an Eastern, and Western Empire situation. One would get the Palace and the other would get the Forbidden Palace.

It is an option:

Originally posted by Togas
Article VII. Elections
6 If no candidate for office receives more than 50% of the vote, there shall be a run-off election held from the 15th to the 18th.
(a) The Court shall create a run-off poll with the two candidates who received the most votes.
7 Ties shall be resolved by the Court in any manner of their choosing.

According to the NewCon there is NO runoff because there were already only two options. The only time there is a runoff is if there were more than two options and the top two would be in the runoff.

In the case of a tie the issue is to be "resolved by the court" so they could split it down the middle.

[adaMada]

Hmmm... Interesting excerpt. I think part seven was probably intended to deal with a tie after a runoff, but I'd have to talk to the other ConCon members to be sure -- I don't remember it being explicitly discussed (Togas, who authored the majority of the document, could probably shed more light into it than I could). Having said that, the matter would probably be in the hands of the court anyway, as we have potentially conflicting sections. Personally? I'd do a runoff before turning to the courts. You'll note that NewCon doesn't say that there must be three canidates or more for a runoff; just if neither gets more than 50% of the vote.

I was thinking splitting it down the middle, we would each get half of the cities and workers and race to see who could accomplish the most in one term's time.

Kind of an Eastern, and Western Empire situation. One would get the Palace and the other would get the Forbidden Palace.

That could be very cool -- and could be a nightmare. Would probably be quite hard on the President, and I shutter to think about the politiking that the SMC/FAM might wind up having to go through . Though I see some very cool potential, I'd probably be against any such proposal, since I see a good deal of trouble it could cause, especially considering the very differnet styles of the people involved. (If me and Arnelos were to tie (as unlikely as it may be), I might feel differently, as we are very similar canidates (with similar playing styles) who probably could split the workload and produce similar results. Even in this scenerio, however, it would set a bad precedent...).

-- adaMada

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by adaMada
Hmmm... Interesting excerpt. I think part seven was probably intended to deal with a tie after a runoff, but I'd have to talk to the other ConCon members to be sure -- I don't remember it being explicitly discussed (Togas, who authored the majority of the document, could probably shed more light into it than I could). Having said that, the matter would probably be in the hands of the court anyway, as we have potentially conflicting sections. Personally? I'd do a runoff before turning to the courts. You'll note that NewCon doesn't say that there must be three canidates or more for a runoff; just if neither gets more than 50% of the vote.

It wouldn't be a "runoff" it would be a repoll because you would have THE EXACT SAME election with the EXACT SAME OPTIONS. A runoff occurs when you drop the superfluous choices and only go with the more popular ones.

Originally posted by adaMada
That could be very cool -- and could be a nightmare. Would probably be quite hard on the President, and I shutter to think about the politiking that the SMC/FAM might wind up having to go through . Though I see some very cool potential, I'd probably be against any such proposal, since I see a good deal of trouble it could cause, especially considering the very differnet styles of the people involved. (If me and Arnelos were to tie (as unlikely as it may be), I might feel differently, as we are very similar canidates (with similar playing styles) who probably could split the workload and produce similar results. Even in this scenerio, however, it would set a bad precedent...).

Nightmare, smitemare, the game's over, we won. This would spice up the game abit and allow for more roleplay and might stave off some of the Exodus to the PTW Demo Game for a while.

Heck, I'm starting to like this idea so much that if I win I'd be interested in seeing if E_T would like to take a chunk and run with it. With my guarantee that I will make absolutely NO CHANGES to any of his orders.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Oh my word! I just checked and at the time of this post more people have voted in the Domestic Minister Election (51) than the President Election (50)!

[E_T]

Originally posted by adaMada
EDIT: Also, let me remind all the canidates that the remaining twenty four hours means that there will probably be another voter or two, so I suggest that they keep campeigning. I myself haven't voted in an election or two yet -- so more votes may come .

Unfortunately, I can't do anymore Campaining because of getting the orders ready for tomorrow. I just now have gotten back from a preliminary job interview and will work on them until I'm done.

Basically, vote for the person whom you think will do the best job under the NewCon. Who you think will work with the senate the best, etc.....

I've said most of what I've planned to say. If anyone has a question, I'll be happy to answer them within a fairly reasonable time period, as I'll be checking this from time to time.

E_T

[Aggie]

I like the idea of both of ya'll doing half the cities, that would be hillarious. Of course one would be the official domestic, that doesn't prevent one from designating the other" the deputy in charge of these cities". Do we divide on pop or number of cites. Imagine if we did this for FAM too, luckily adamada and Arnelos are pretty close otherwise our foreign policy could be pretty schitzofreic. I like the idea so much let me official endorse, it time to have some fun with this game.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aggie
I like the idea of both of ya'll doing half the cities, that would be hillarious. Of course one would be the official domestic, that doesn't prevent one from designating the other" the deputy in charge of these cities". Do we divide on pop or number of cites. Imagine if we did this for FAM too, luckily adamada and Arnelos are pretty close otherwise our foreign policy could be pretty schitzofreic. I like the idea so much let me official endorse, it time to have some fun with this game.
Aggie

I think it would work better if they were divided into chunks. Say the Western Empire had Macross City as its capitol and the Eastern Empire had Contaginon as its capitol. Although both should be renamed something suitable maybe naming the two cites "EASTERN EMPIRE" and "WESTERN EMPIRE" in all caps?

We could call it something on the lines of the "Age of the two Empires."

[E_T]

Too bad you couldn't have two different armies fight one another, i.e. civil war, THAT might be interesting.

E_T

[Aggie]

Good idea, this is a good opportunity to show how different strategies work, which was part of the reason for this game. Additionally incase anyone thinks we are damaging the game, I submit that this will actually make our empire stronger and better. Competition is good. In reference to ET statement above, nobody can bribe thud to pillage the other's improvements. Not that you all would but the temptation would be present.
Aggie

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by E_T
Too bad you couldn't have two different armies fight one another, i.e. civil war, THAT might be interesting.

E_T

CivFanatics had a civil war in their first DemoGame after their endgame got boring. Don't know whether anything happened in-game or if it was all in the forum, though. Besides, they were a little farther along than we were (they had a choice between cultural and spaceship victory) and I assume they had a comfortable tech lead.

Also, CFC has a system where each citizen can govern a city, IIRC. This lends itself much better to the start of a dramatic civil war, with everyone scrambling to choose sides.

[adaMada]

Originally posted by Aggie
Imagine if we did this for FAM too, luckily adamada and Arnelos are pretty close otherwise our foreign policy could be pretty schitzofreic. I like the idea so much let me official endorse, it time to have some fun with this game.
Aggie

. That could have some really funny results.

"And in International News Today, Apolytonia signed a mutual protection pact with Greece while also declaring war on it. Apolytonian President Aggie citied a lack of communication between Apolytonia's two foreign ministers, and stated that 'We will honor our treaty obligations while we continue to destroy them'".

In all seriousness, though, the plan Ghengis is proposing could be lots of fun, if Aggie were willing to put up with the difficulties it would create and the other ministers willing to play along. Of course, it would make things much less serious than the game is now, but we're nearly guarenteed a win so we might as well get a bit of extra fun in there .

-- adaMada

[nz_upy]

I will support the split of the empire. BUT after the Palace has been relocated to ensure a more even spread of cities.