Election: Domestic Minister (term 6)

[GodKing]

Tough choice. As former CP I will for a change not post who I am voting for. Both have done an excelent job in what they have worked on. Each has a different style, and different objectives from what I have seen. I urge all of our citizens to read & think carefully before they vote here.

GK

[GhengisFarb™]

Are you saying pointing out differences is "negative campaigning"?

There was nothing negative in what I posted, except for the latter part when I was defending myself from accusations, but certainly not the part you quoted.

There is nothing wrong with E_T's approach, in fact if either of our two approaches is wrong it is mine. I would be running under the NewCon with an OldCon administration while E_T would actually be following the NewCon to the letter.

Most of the negativity I've seen displayed is over changes in the approach. Several people grew accustomed to GodKing's style and when E_T displayed a markedly different style (which he had every right to under the NewCon) they were not happy with it. I am simply giving them the opportunity to attempt to restore the old style.

The NewCon specifically gives the DM all of the powers and veto rights my opponent spoke of and SUGGESTS he consider appointing deputies but by no means requires it.

[E_T]

Oh, I would require them, this job is TOO BIG for just one person to handle by himself! One of the things that I have worried about is the PTW drain. Even though we still have a lot of people who are voting here in the last several days, that does not mean that they would want to do some of these jobs (for either canidate).

E_T

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by E_T
Oh, I would require them, this job is TOO BIG for just one person to handle by himself! One of the things that I have worried about is the PTW drain. Even though we still have a lot of people who are voting here in the last several days, that does not mean that they would want to do some of these jobs (for either canidate).

E_T

I suppose that's ironic... the game becoming less democratic (PTW brain drain) just as we're switching to democracy

[E_T]

Originally posted by nz_upy
This is the Key Issue here

E_T sees the position as one almost equal to the President from what I gather in his posts. And the NewCon definitely left it to be interpreted that way.

Yes, it is a powerful position, but the New Con set it up that way. As for being almost like the Prez, that's not quite true. With the addition powers that the new con has bestowed, to each of the ministers, comes a lot of responsability to the Senate. We are still here by their whim. The budget for rushes will be by their whim. With the NewCon, it's almoist an entirely new game, except we aren't starting in 4000AB.

I, having grown used to the OldCon, still view it as a supportive position whose primary goals are to do what the President directs and simply achieve his goals and providing input into the direction.

Either is a perfectly rational way to view it under the NewCon, it simply comes down to whether you want a Domestic Minister who is fulfilling their vision for Apolytonia, or one who plans to fulfill a more collective vision."

Why can't they be one and the same, just different in the implementation? My vision is for it to be a Great Nation, Isn't that what everybody wants? I really haven't heard anyone say that they want to lose or that they don't want to become independant from the A.I.

It's how we do these things that is in the details of the interpitation of a collective dream. That should not be confused with the dream it's self.

Does this border on anything?

Meglamenia, but how can you be that to a bunch of electronic people in a virtual world? Feed them false information to sway their decision to your own is one, but wait, I've always made every effort to properly info the population, because I felt they needed to know things.

So, how do you do it, I'd like to know, so I can watch out for it in someone else.

E_T

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by E_T
My vision is for it to be a Great Nation, Isn't that what everybody wants? I really haven't heard anyone say that they want to lose or that they don't want to become independant from the A.I.

[tongue-in-cheek]

Well, there WAS that United Apolytonian Despots organization that Unorthodox founded

And then there's that whole issue with 2 or 3 of the hardline Hawks advocating that we declare war on 4 different civs at once to make things a "challenge"...

I'd say your assumption may not be as solid as you thought

[/tongue-in-cheek]

[E_T]

Originally posted by Arnelos


[tongue-in-cheek]

Well, there WAS that United Apolytonian Despots organization that Unorthodox founded

And then there's that whole issue with 2 or 3 of the hardline Hawks advocating that we declare war on 4 different civs at once to make things a "challenge"...

I'd say your assumption may not be as solid as you thought

[/tongue-in-cheek]

Arnelos, you get what I mean, sheesh.....

E_T

[E_T]

Originally posted by Arnelos


[tongue-in-cheek]

Well, there WAS that United Apolytonian Despots organization that Unorthodox founded

And then there's that whole issue with 2 or 3 of the hardline Hawks advocating that we declare war on 4 different civs at once to make things a "challenge"...

I'd say your assumption may not be as solid as you thought

[/tongue-in-cheek]

Hey, if that was the wishes of the nation, then I would follow it. I wouldn't be the first penguin in to the sea, but about 10th back. Of Course, THAT might be when I would use a Veto or E.O.

E_T

[E_T]

[EDIT]

Wrong day

E_T

[Randolph]

For the record I said "3+", and I'm not a hawk

[Panag]

hi ,

its 50-50 now , what happens if it stays that way , ......?

have a nice day

[GhengisFarb™]

If it's a tie maybe we can work out a deal for a joint Ministry.

Woohoo! A Coalition office! (I doubt it will be an absolute tie as we still have over a day left, what does the NewCon say about ties?)

Originally posted by Togas
Article VII. Elections
6 If no candidate for office receives more than 50% of the vote, there shall be a run-off election held from the 15th to the 18th.
(a) The Court shall create a run-off poll with the two candidates who received the most votes.
7 Ties shall be resolved by the Court in any manner of their choosing.

[Panag]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
If it's a tie maybe we can work out a deal for a joint Ministry.

Woohoo! A Coalition office! (I doubt it will be an absolute tie as we still have over a day left, what does the NewCon say about ties?)

hi ,

hmm , a coalition office might be something , ........

have a nice day

[joncnunn]

I think the point of the new consitution Domestic Minister is to keep the old City Planning and old Public Works on the same page.

[Aggie]

I think if neither get over 50% we have a runoff. So if its a tie get ready to do this all over again.
Aggie