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  • #46
    Decimate the plague of frogs on Our Very Apolytonia (Egypt).

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    • #47
      Egypt? Never heard of 'em. What do you know of these "Egyptians"?
      Former Supreme Military Commander of the Democratic Apolyton States, Term 8
      Former Chairman of Apolyton Labor Party

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      • #48
        Originally posted by GodKing
        Can we get some peace for a bit!!! I would like us to build a couple of markets, libraries, banks, cathedrals, etc, as well as an overwealming military, before the next war. Lets declair peace with everybody, wait the 20 turns, then start to reevaluate our situation then.

        I say look at germany though before the panzers arive. They are so centrally located, so much good land, so close to our capitol and FP locations... think about that.
        And with one Wonder. There is quite a lot that still will be needed to bring us up to speed with the other Civ's. Germany seems to the the Technology giant.

        France will be good to trigger our GA, Taking Rhemes and some of the other cities. But we should concentrate mostly on the Resources, GA and some of the cities. Try to limit the war to just 5 turns, not 10. France has no vital technologies or wonders that we need.

        I would rather that we "pull the strings" in 740AD (two turnchats away), that way it will reduce the chance of France getting GP and we can get on with other things as quikly as possible.

        The sooner the war gets started and having a shorter war is a better option, at least to me.

        E_T
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        • #49
          I would just like to state I am against a GA at this point, and will be until we build the FP. So don't assume the people will approve the use of War Chariots.

          As for war, I've become convinced war with England would be too costly; I might support a limited war against France, but I'm also worried about the prospect of an alliance against us.

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          • #50
            Well her's what we do, we sell them a useless tech for all there money and quickly seixe Salt peter ansd iron so they have no bargaining chips. additionally the other forces will counter attack quickly if an alliance is amde against us, thus ensuring a quick peace on all fronts.
            Aggie
            The 5th President, 2nd SMC and 8th VP in the Civ3 Demogame. Also proud member of the GOW team in the PTW game. Peace through superior firepower.

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            • #51
              It's salt paper, damnit! Not salt peter.
              Has OPD taken over you too Aggie?
              /me is reminded of a scene from 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers'.
              "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
              And the truth isn't what you want to see,
              Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
              - Phantom of the Opera

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Shiber
                It's salt paper, damnit! Not salt peter.
                Has OPD taken over you too Aggie?
                Statistical anomaly.
                The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                • #53
                  HOLY COW...
                  I have just realized that IT IS saltpeter! I must be dyslectic!
                  Wait, if I can spell dyslectic it must mean that I'm not.

                  Is there a law against excessive use of emoticons?
                  "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                  And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                  Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                  - Phantom of the Opera

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                  • #54
                    There are two issues here:

                    1. France will get gunpowder soon and build musketeers

                    2. Our war chariots are already outdated. We need to use them now or never. We could always build a wonder to get a GA, but there is no guarantee we will build it first.

                    Considering this, I believe we have 2 options:

                    1. Go to war with France right now, as in ONE TO FIVE turns from now

                    2. Forget war, and build up our infrastructure so we have a better chance of finishing a GA-starting wonder.


                    Thats the options that I see.
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                    • #55
                      to secure peace is to prepare for war!

                      Originally posted by Shiber
                      Is there a law against excessive use of emoticons?
                      Well... if there ain't, there oughtta be

                      I'm for a limited war against France provided we feel confident they won't pull someone else in against us. But the arguement that 'England is a power and needs to be pruned' seems a bit light. Same with securing a smaller border to defend by taking them out... afterall, it was imperialism that got us that precarious border to begin with.

                      There are virtues and wisdom to rattling the saber a little less. Being too big and having too much may be ill-advised. However, France should step aside... and afterwards, let the armies rest a while.
                      "The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Abraham Lincoln

                      "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever, in flesh and blood, walked upon this earth." -- Albert Einstein, in regards to Mohandis Gandhi

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                      • #56
                        If we want a pre-Musketter attack with Knights at all we have to do it around 16 turns from now.

                        On the English front, several cities need relocating / converted to workers.

                        The first might be moving York to the plains west of the Saltpeter. (Much lower chance of a flip) We will need to found the "New" York before abanoded Old York since that plains square may be inside London's culture boundary.

                        I'd vote for France first. How do we keep Hole in the Wall from being occuplied by the French for most of the war though?

                        I don't like the idea of selling Saltpeter to the English if they are still on our boarder. (even pushed back)
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                        • #57
                          We need to annex france soon, before they discover GP.
                          Remember.... pillage first then burn.

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                          • #58
                            I'm bumping this, so as the DOW vote can have some previous discussions to look at. I'll be linking it into my post in the Poll, soon.

                            E_T
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