War Academy: Next taget England or France

[Togas]

Peace Renegotiations

My current plans are to renegotiate peace with everyone except France in 670AD.

I am renegotiating with England unless there's a massive outcry against it. They're currently a major importer of our spices and good for our economy. I would suggest that if we went to war with England, we hold off until after Cavalry ... or you talk the nation into doing it NOW before they have a lot of Musketeers.

But time is short for such decisions.

--Togas

[Meshelic]

Togas is right, England helps our economy enough to be important to us right now. I think the French need to go down.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Thud

NO MORE WAR!
NO MORE WAR!

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call war weariness. Down with Republic and Democracy! God save the King... erm, or later the Great Chairman. Just kidding .

[Shiber]

Can you simply not renegotiate a peace treaty without declaring war in the process in 1.21? If you can't then we'll either have to postpone the war by 20 additional turns or attack when the treaty expires.
I'm at school right now. Could someone please check this?

[Meshelic]

Sir Ralph you know you want to go commie, you know it!!!

[Torkkeli]

Thud said it all.

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by Shiber
Can you simply not renegotiate a peace treaty without declaring war in the process in 1.21? If you can't then we'll either have to postpone the war by 20 additional turns or attack when the treaty expires.
I'm at school right now. Could someone please check this?

you can leave the peace treaty alone for a long time, but if we don't renegotiate for it, we get nothing extra in return.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I see France as the only immediate war need. Anyone else is not as crucial to our development.

France's two saltpeter are on our doorstep and those are THE commodity to trade during this era. Ships and ground forces require it.

I feel it is time to absorb ALL of France.

[zeit]

I feel it is time to absorb ALL of France.

"Your feelings serve you well Ghengis Farb, but don't let them cloud you judgement"

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by zeit


"Your feelings serve you well Ghengis Farb, but don't let them cloud you judgement"

Well we NEED Rheims as its a threat to our security and is a dangerous staging area for a French suprise attack.

We should take the two saltpeter as its cost effective and the money and strategic advantage from controlling FOUR of the single most strategic resource of this period is incalcuable.

Which leaves us with several French cities and France a mere speck so we might as well take the whole thing since at that point we would never have to worry about flips or riots as their civ wouldn't exist anymore.

Simply logic.

[zeit]

I heartly agree, GF, and already commented on this issue on the previous War academy thread, My quot was nothing but humor.

[joncnunn]

Might it be better to simply sit of the extra Saltpeters during the Middle Ages and NOT sell them, thereby insuring that at least one Civ won't be able to upgrade Spears/Pikes to MusketMen ?

[zeit]

my reflection on the war with france from my previous Academy thread:

-The way i see it, a war with france has two sides- on one hand- they are weak, and we'd take their cities easily, sue early for peace, etc. This will also give us the extra saltpeter, and, IMO more important- give us a GA, which in this stage of development is crucial and most benefitial.
France is also, compared to Germany, the 'weakest kid in block' and as we always used to pick on the weak and rip the profits, we might as well do it again.
On the other hand- and this is absolotely right- we have much better things to do right now with our lytons and our production, and somehow this war doesn't see all that necessary and worthwhile, and the terrain is disadvantageous for our knights.

I would have agreed to postpone such an opperation until further notice if not for two main reasons:

1)The frenchies have saltpeter but no gunpowder- and in the next 10 turns are not expected to raise enough for the creation of strong musketeer force, and this is our chance.

2)The GA we (at least I) crave for is just around the corner, and we won't get a much better chance for using our WC against a bunch of lowly warriors and swordmen

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Might it be better to simply sit of the extra Saltpeters during the Middle Ages and NOT sell them, thereby insuring that at least one Civ won't be able to upgrade Spears/Pikes to MusketMen ?

Saltpeter is only dominent for a specific period. I don't think riflemen require saltpeter for some reason and I know Infantry does not require it.

[E_T]

Aggie, what cities are you planning to take? Are there some that will depend on the results of the first turns of the war? Could you provide an outline of your plans for the war? What your overall objectives would be? I'm assuming that you will leave France somewat intact with just a few cities left.

What are your plans if one of the other Civs desides to help France, depending on which one?

E_T