War Academy: Next taget England or France

[Aggie]

We are fast approaching a decison on who to attack first. For the record I have plans for both attacks that can work. I want you all to post here your opinions about which country is more important to attack. I will post my plans tomorrow, but want your ideas first to make sure I haven't missed anything. Additionally I am very busy today so can't post until much later tonight.
Aggie

[Shiber]

France, because of the saltpaper and because they're much easier so we can accomplish all of our goals within five turns and then sue for peace, thus minimizing war weariness.

[realpolitic]

France, the saltpeter and iron are valuable, and if we're lucky the Germans will take London and take the cultural pressure off Arabela.

[Hot Mustard]

Let the Peace be!

Are we Apolytonians or Mongols?

We can still prepare for (inevitable) wars, but let's not start the next one.

Those fearing the lost opportunity for GA: there will always be that last spearman/archer/swordsman defending an enemy city, after killing all the musketeers/pikemen.

[joncnunn]

We are evenually going to need to annex England.
(Needs done by the time the Forbidden Palace gets completed out there.)

But I think we can annex France now with Knights and latter annex England when we have Calvary. The question is can we annex France without the Eastern Knight forces?

Realpolitic, the Iron is so valuable that almost any deal we make with it with be less than full value and merely 1 gold less than can't be done.

Saltpeter is a more usuable resource. I do suggest that overseas customers would be prefered this until we have Tanks for our own safety. (Especally if we get 4)

Also keep 1 extra of each resource in reserve because resources have a habit of moving.

[Shiber]

I'd like Germany to attack England but I wouldn't like them to win. A bigger Germany would be a greater threat then a medium-sized Germany and a medium-sized England.
I'd prefer it if Germany went to war with England and only exchanged a few cities. This is basically bad for their economies and good for us.
Furthermore, we can take advantage of the situation and ally with Germany against England. Germany will offer a free tech and more for an alliance against England should they declare war.

[joncnunn]

I agree with Shiber, if Germany attacks England, stop a turn chat so we can declare war on the English and invade right away to minimize Germany's enlargement. This is another reason we need to keep the eastern Knight forces out of the French theater.

If Germany instead attacks the Aztecs, let them fight it among themselves, but be ready to jump on Germany in the unlikely event that the Germans start losing.

The potiential for this war is one of the main reasons I support the Culture Flipping proposal.

[Arnelos]

I agree with England as a long-term goal, ideally AFTER the Forbidden Palace is completed in our new Persian province.

[Reddawg]

Whoa whoa whoa, Aggie what's your timetable on these attacks?

I need to know this, I reserve my opinion until I do know. Once Term 6 rolls around and there is no more MoE, you can push me around, but right now... }:-) devil grin.

[Thud]

If we not just finished a huge war, I would say fine, invade France, conquer them, they deserve it, its a good idea; HOWEVER, I am INFINIETLY DISMAYED at the discussion of annexation of England, and the immeadiate preparation for ANOTHER war on France! I am outraged, I am flabbergasted, I am furious!

NO MORE WAR!

Apolyton does NOT need to become a bloated over-expansist state. Not only is it uncalled for, but it is a potential disater. We are running a Democracy game. I fear that with too much land and too many units to command, the game will lose all interest.

NO MORE WAR!

I will no longer intervene in this thread with unreasonable protests to the planning of the war, I will not protest until the plans come up for vote; however, I will make every effort to point out potential flaws in the plan that I see, and perhaps I will even add to the plan myself. We'll see what kind of warmonger I can be.

[Hot Mustard]

Woo Hoo - way to go Thud!

(and to think I debated using one of those little red guys)

[Meshelic]

My opinion comes down to this:

In terms of expansionism , I would propose we first send our forces to England. Provided what our objectives would be for that campaign, I think if we conquered the English then we would most certainly own more than 1/4 of the continent (not counting lands beyond the French empire), and that would be a huge sphere to influence and control. That would also allow us to defend (or attack) the Germans on multiple fronts. We would OWN the the Eastern Ocean (as of yet not named by the way)

France (still in expansionist terms) would be smaller territory to overrun, and it would place us at a strategic advantage over the other nations, ie owning the bottleneck of our continent.

In terms of exploration : owning France would be nice. That would give us an ability to project our influence on BOTH western and eastern. The strategic importance of France is that iron and saltpeter (conveniently on our border with them). ENGLAND would probably put us closer to the lost civs however.

Tough call. It's either limited war with France to grab those resources, or an extended (but fairly limited) war against the English for some prime coast cities and a greater sphere of influence.

Hmm.....I choose France. We can't last a long war, especially in a republic. A quick campaign against the French are in our best interests.

[Panzer32]

The French campaign may not be so short if they get saltpeter very soon!!!

[Duddha]

France!

[Aggie]

First of all for both wars I like to tie things up and have peace within 8 turns, most likely with england it would be closer to 5. England war would be limited by one simple fact, they have GP and salt peter so our best hope is to take the southern tier of cites and then hold off counter atatcks until turn 5 and negotiations, of course things could go better( i doubt worse considering the forces) and we could go up to London.
With france we would take the cites on the se coast and also the mountain cities, since we need to keep forces for defense the 20 knight attack isn't possible.
Reddawg, this attack isn't imminent it is at least 10 turns away and probably closer to 15 or more. This thread is simply a brainstorm for the attack IF it should take place and a place to announce your preference.
Aggie