In case Rome demands our WM

[Shiber]

Hello all,
It is our foreign policy to give in to any demands that the Romans make. I am in favor of this policy as it lets us postpone the inevitable war with Rome for better times.
However, it is possible that Rome will demand our TM or WM sooner or later. As I've shown before, we can get as much as ~150 gold just by selling our maps of Uber Isle if we just play our cards right, but if we give in to Rome's demand and then continue playing Rome will distribute the maps and we'll lose this precious opportunity.
Therefore, I suggest that if such an event occurs, we pause the game for a day or a day and a half for further debate and to investigate our options.

Your comments are welcome!

[Sheik]

I agree. If Rome, or when Rome, demands our world map we must stop and consider our options.

[adaMada]

Can you make a counter proposal to a demand? Sorry, it's been too long since I played Civ3 'for real' .

This will determine my answer a bit, though I think I already know what I'll say either way.

-- adaMada

[Vlad Antlerkov]

As it happens, we can't make counteroffers on demands.

Personally, if there weren't any Roman forces near our territory, I'd be in favor of rejecting the demand, then making peace ASAP.

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov
Personally, if there weren't any Roman forces near our territory, I'd be in favor of rejecting the demand, then making peace ASAP.

I strongly agree. We should not give in to any demands for our world map. IMO, this principle would be worth going to war over.

[adaMada]

Damn, no counteroffer (I guess it'd have been too easy).

If Rome demands one of our maps, I think we should reject. I'd rather not incite them to war, and if it looks like they're getting close I'd gladly give them a token amount of gold to keep them off us, but I am not willing to give up our World Map, and think that (in this case) we need to stand up to Rome. If that needs to be in the current orders, then I'll gladly put it there (though I think the Prez would recognize the need in that case). Also, as Donal pointed out recently, we are now number one on the power graph. That will make us a target, but it may well also make Rome hesitant to go to war with us, especially as long as we're trouncing the Persians.

Of course, I have been known to change my mind, and if anyone is personally sure that Rome will go to war if we reject, then please post, and if you convince me we may be able to find some middle ground (perhaps authorizing a small tribute to Rome before we end the turn, or doing a twenty-turn trade).

-- adaMada

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Currently if Rome demands something and we reject it WE WILL BE AT WAR.

The only time that the AI lets it slide is if they are weak but Rome has built a large military and is looking for someone to attack it with.

[adaMada]

Since everyone more experienced than I seems to agree that Rome will declare war on us should we not agree to their deal, then does anyone think that a small cash 'gift' to imrpove relations might help? Would GPT stop them from declaring war?

Are there any other nations who we have this same situation with? I used Togas' standing orders for the Demands, as perdicting wars is not something I'm good at, but those orders are a bit out of date (at least since he left, which is a good 200 years ). I'd appreciate any advice on this issue.

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

To be honest with you, the ONLY thing that could derail us from a good chunk of persia is another war. If giving gifts will help i'm all for it, especially in greece's case. Rome I wouldn't mind either. But then again I am used to playing a liitle differently so i'll let the real political wheeler dealers answer.
Aggie

[kring]

I am against giving into Rome's demand for either a WM or a TM. If it means war, so be it.

I would like to keep the island unknown as long as possible to prevent others from colonizing it.

I don't object to giving Rome some gold to maintain peace.

While I wouldn't want war with Rome, I don't think we need to give up our maps just yet.

[adaMada]

I think we'll probably be working out some twenty turn deal with Rome, which'll probably stop them from attacking us for the time being, and may improve relations as well.

We're talking it over in Shiber's 'five turn trade plan' thread.

Should Rome demand our World Map, though, I think we'd have to deny them. Hopefully we'll be able to prevent it, but if not, we may have to accept the risk.

-- adaMada

[Aro]

Hmm... The Romans have at least two legionnaires near Cheerbourg. And a warrior. The legions aren't visible now, but they ARE there. If the romans declare war to us, those legions will take Cheerbourg. We don't have any garrison.

By the other hand, the AI can’t colonize Uber Isle before astronomy. Only humans can make that maneuver with the galleys. I never saw the AI doing something like that.

[History Guy]

An old patriot such as myself would not be glad at all to see Apolytonia cave in to such demands. If demands arrive for our gold or our maps, we shall, I trust, refuse the Romans, whatever they threaten us. We should not allow ourselves to be coerced into giving away what it ours in exchange for nothing but fear of our enemies. If this causes war, than thus it shall be, but we must never cave into such terrorism. I only hope that Caesar will simply be pulling his bluff, but even if he isn't, the only honorable choice is to refuse his demands, and, if necessary, to fight him to keep our honor and manhood. The banana must not falter!!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

If Rome fights us now they'll take every city up to Timeline before we can meet them. Not saying we won't take it back but it would be long and costly. I expect they've got somewhere around 20 -30 legions in the field right now.

[History Guy]

You are, sadly, correct. A war with Rome would be costly. But what would we loose if we caved in to Rome's vile threats (if they are ever made)? We would, at the very least, loose our money, or some well earned technological advance...or our treasured world map. This would be a serious enough blow to us as it is. This would most certainly be a terrible choice to have to make, but I would not like to see Apolytonia bow down to these vile barbarian swine over a map.