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    Honored Apolytonians,
    If you consider every upside and downside to ending the war this turn you will probably come to the same conclusion I have come to: this turn is the best time to end the war and sign a peace treaty with France.
    While I support and even encourage moves such as moving the archers stack to Rheims's doorstep and using the swordsman which has a movement point left to attack the French swordsman, I strongly believe we should end the war at the end of 210 BC.
    The following reasons have led me to believe so:

    * There is nothing more to gain from the French. We can't conquer any more of their cities, only raze them.
    * If we raze Rheims Greece will surely settle there instead before we can send a settler of our own. Greece is in a golden age and Rheims is close to their core so it won't be long before a Greek settler shows up there. While it should be very easy to take Rheims from the French later, in a 2nd campaign, it will be ten times harder to take Rheims from the Greek.
    * Our swordsmen are needed elsewhere. If we continue the war we are delaying the assault on Hamburg and the campaign to finish off the Americans.
    * Many people have raised their concerns regarding the high price that the French are charging for Feudalism. But let's face it: if we execute Togas's techwhoring project (get Feudalism from France for 345 gold, sell Feudalism to Rome for Monarchy and 80-100 gold and sell Monarchy to France to regain up to 330 gold, according to my estimates which are based on the cost of the techs as mentioned in the civ3mod.bic file), which I am in favor of, we'll get nearly all of our money back anyway so there won't be much different whether the French sell Feudalism for 345 gold or 300 gold. For the risk involved and the delaying of the American campaign and the assault on Hamburg, it's simply not worth it.

    Thank you for listening. Please share your thoughts on the subject.
    "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
    And the truth isn't what you want to see,
    Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
    - Phantom of the Opera

  • #2
    If we started building settlers now we could probably get any sites that we raze.
    Are we having fun yet?

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    • #3
      WAR! Good god yo! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say again?
      WAR! Good god yo! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say again?
      WAR! Good god yo! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say again?
      WAR! Good god yo! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say again?


      ok ok. We need to keep in mind what cities will culture flip towards us, and which might go away. I believe only the french capital has any culture at the moment, but I could be wrong. Temples are obviously a top priority no matter what the culture status of the french cities. Additionally, any cities we can raze and reconstruct over easily must be done. This would save tens or hundreds of turns waiting for a culture flip. I really doubt there will be a second save against the french unless we aren't the ones that start it, so we must take all that we can at the moment, but not be at war for too long.

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      • #4
        We should stop.

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        • #5
          Damn DIA wimps.
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          • #6
            Duddha - I used to be UFC. I still think we should stop.

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            • #7
              I think Termina and BHQ may start building a settler each soon so that the gaps that are created can be filled.
              Are we having fun yet?

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              • #8
                Shiber I agree, but rememebr it is Aggie's Techwhoring plan.
                Aggie
                The 5th President, 2nd SMC and 8th VP in the Civ3 Demogame. Also proud member of the GOW team in the PTW game. Peace through superior firepower.

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                • #9
                  OPD, we need bigger cities to up our production. Except for uber isle isle I have no desire to make settlers again.
                  Aggie
                  The 5th President, 2nd SMC and 8th VP in the Civ3 Demogame. Also proud member of the GOW team in the PTW game. Peace through superior firepower.

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                  • #10
                    Right on target. We are rapidly approaching our limit on cities before we hit the corruption wall that will drastically hurt our commerce and production. Better a medium amount of well built cities, then a large number of medium built ones.

                    All that we're saying is give peace a chance...
                    All that we're saying is give peace a chance...
                    All that we're saying is give peace a chance...
                    All that we're saying is give peace a chance...
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                    • #11
                      I'm going to take this opportunity to stress what I think is currently most important.

                      I don't think people have really been listening when I've been saying to watch out for Germany. Now that they are more than double our size and are growing at a much higher rate, they will listen. End this war now, Germany is the only threat to our existence, and a growing one.

                      Secondly, I've concluded that reaching Uber Isle is an unbelievable advantage. The thought of some other civ getting a foothold there first is nearly devastating. We MUST reach that island ASAP.
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                      • #12
                        I know I too hate building settlers in core cities.

                        In an ideal world we'd have 1 or 2 cities with granaries which could produce all of our settlers and re-grow quickly.

                        But we don't have that luxury and we don't want our newly captured french cities to be cut off by other french ciites.

                        I have nop intention of building a settler in poly and will let it grow to become a production power house.

                        Termina and BHQ will only build 1 settler each which won't significantly reduce their production as ATM our core cities have a lack of mined tiles.

                        Tass may also build a settler if needed. Hopefully when the cities grow back to the size they are now the surrounding lands will have been developed more.

                        Although the PW minister is desperately short of workers. Perhaps if Termina were to build a granary it could start pumping them out but there are more important things ATM
                        Are we having fun yet?

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                        • #13
                          Well if my memory serves me right the City Planning department says the temple in Termina is late overdue and insist that we finish it first.
                          OPD, I agree with your idea, but since the city planners want a temple in Termina first perhaps we should plan for a granary someplace else.
                          "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                          And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                          Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                          - Phantom of the Opera

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aggie
                            Shiber I agree, but rememebr it is Aggie's Techwhoring plan.
                            Aggie
                            No, I was referring to Togas's plan (it's pretty much like yours only he wants us to get Feudalism in the peace settlement whereas you want to buy Feudalism later, which is a bad idea IMHO).
                            "Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
                            And the truth isn't what you want to see,
                            Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
                            - Phantom of the Opera

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shiber
                              Well if my memory serves me right the City Planning department says the temple in Termina is late overdue and insist that we finish it first.
                              OPD, I agree with your idea, but since the city planners want a temple in Termina first perhaps we should plan for a granary someplace else.
                              Your memory does serve you right a temple will be built in Termia.

                              Whether or not any settlers are built it will not happen this turn as there are other priorities.

                              Also building a granary in one of the core cities is a idea that has been floating around for a while. If it is decided to build one then it won't be happening for a while as there are other things more important. It has yet to be decided whether it is feasable and worthwhile to do so. And so any thoughts you have on the matter would be appreciated.
                              Are we having fun yet?

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