End the war NOW

[Shiber]

Togas: I don't think we'll gain much if we lower the price which France will charge for Feudalism. Currently they will sell it to us for 345 gold. After almost two hours of running experiments, using data from the .bic file regarding the cost of techs and careful calculations I have reached the conclusion that France will pay 320 gold, give or take 10 gold, for Monarchy (which we'll get after we execute your plan). So effectively the difference between paying 345 gold to France now and paying, say, 270-250 gold to France in a turn or two would be that we'll save 25 gold.
Now, I'm not sure if 25 gold is really worth all the risk involved but you've already made your mind and there's no point arguing now when the turns are about to be played.

OPD: I don't see why you think the French are stronger than us. Our army was stronger than theirs before we declared war (according to the foreign advisor) and now they're left with 11 towns, most of which are unconnected to iron nor to each other and out of which only 2 have 2 population. Our civ has 16 towns, several barracks and many workers. I don't see how you can regard the French as stronger.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by OPD
Also if Rhiems is going to be razed should we try and get the site by building a settler?

Definitely IMHO.

[OPD]

Originally posted by Shiber
OPD: I don't see why you think the French are stronger than us. Our army was stronger than theirs before we declared war (according to the foreign advisor) and now they're left with 11 towns, most of which are unconnected to iron nor to each other and out of which only 2 have 2 population. Our civ has 16 towns, several barracks and many workers. I don't see how you can regard the French as stronger.

I dunno I just looked at the ranking and they were above us.

You seem to have done alot of work on this tech trading thing so if you're sure it'll work then maybe peace is the best course of action

[OPD]

Ok then if were going to raze Rhiems and then get peace IMO we should fill the gap.

We can have a settler in Timeline in 8 turns from now if we are willing to sacrafice a slave from the stack. (I'll move this to the CP thread.)

Not having Chartes will not be ideal but at least our cities will overlap culture.

Edit: cheers Skywalker

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Togas
The current plan is to rout the remaining French regulars, raise the city the French recaptured, and thereby crush their morale. This will take only two turns. We come to the peace table stronger, Joan's AI recognizes that her strength is now weakened, she gives us a better offer as we press for peace.
-Togas

Razing cities makes peace more unlikely no likely. They will demand more if we destroy their city. Course the Greeks will probably give you a medal for creating a nice city site for them.

[Kuciwalker]

Raze Termina?!

[OPD]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Razing cities makes peace more unlikely no likely. They will demand more if we destroy their city. Course the Greeks will probably give you a medal for creating a nice city site for them.

No they will be more intimidated if we destroy their city.

Also there is a chance that we could get to the site first.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by OPD


No they will be more intimidated if we destroy their city.

Also there is a chance that we could get to the site first.

Yeah I give you 1 in 100.
How much is Alexander paying you?

[Shiber]

The ranking gives a skewed picture of the real balance of power. It's based on an average of each civ's score in every turn since the beginning of the game. We have a low ranking only because we've had a rough start.
The histographs will give you a better view. Look at the score histograph and the power histograph and you'll see that France is significantly less powerful than us (and shrinking).

[Aggie]

Togas, your plan would be ok EXCEPT we risk the romans or somebody else trading to france. IF they do the whole techwhore idea is GONE. YOU WILL HAVE LEFT US BEHIND IN TECH. Togas are you willing to bet everything on a very modest gain when we could squander everything. Do you want to be the person who puts us hopelessly behind in tech. You have contributed so much to this game it would be a shame if you squandered your well deserved reputation for thoughtfulness by not altering course when the facts say you should. Yes we will gain alittle by razing Rheims but the amount lost if this techwhore deal can not be done is beyond estimate. There is a general concensus to end the war NOW. You are going against the people. Right now you basically are betting a million dollars to get a dime. I see no reason for it.
Aggie

Edited to remove what I thought, after looking back, were offensive and nonconstructive statements

[Aro]

Hum... Aggie has a solid point. All the techwhoring project (and we really need those techs) could fail if the French have an opportunity to trade those techs. They can make it in one turn. I would prefer make peace now, but if the official plans are different, we only can wait , and cross the fingers.
I really think we should pay attention to Aggie’s warning. Btw, he's the SMC deputy! I don't like to argue with the military, specially when they say to stop the war now.

[Kuciwalker]

Yea, when the WAR MINISTRY wants to stop the war, we'd better stop. I bet even UBER would want to stop!

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Is there that much to be gained from France that we would KILL half of Apolyton's population to do so, that's how much a settler will cost our capital.

What do we get in return? Grenoble and an opportunity for Greece to claim Rheims former city site?

I feel we need that pop to produce units to win the war with Persia and Germany and that Rheims is not the greatest threat to our nation.

[OPD]

Bhah the settler was never going to be built in poly

anyway it's not important anymore as peace has been declared despite my objections

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by OPD
Bhah the settler was never going to be built in poly

anyway it's not important anymore as peace has been declared despite my objections

You old warmonger you.

Can I still bribe you to send workers to improve my land tiles?