End the war NOW

[Donal Graeme]

Until we manage to secure some more luxuries, such as Wines or something else, then we shouldn't build any granaries, becuase we won't have enough happy people to offset the unhappy ppl in a large city. Cathedrals are tough to build, but worth it, once we build one we can make a granary.

[OPD]

Originally posted by Donal Graeme
Until we manage to secure some more luxuries, such as Wines or something else, then we shouldn't build any granaries, becuase we won't have enough happy people to offset the unhappy ppl in a large city. Cathedrals are tough to build, but worth it, once we build one we can make a granary.

The intention is not to build a granary to let the city grow big it is too build a granary then let the city grow to 5 or 6 and then build a load of workers untill the city is a 1 pop. Then when it grows back to a 6 again another load of workers/settlers can be built. A granary means that growth from a 1 to a 6 will take 25 turns rather than the usual 50 turns.

This way wroker/settler prod could be achieved without significant loss to pop in other cities.

With a new gov and some irrigation growth from a 1 to a 6 could be as little as 15 turns.

[Donal Graeme]

Termina would be the best city for the job, as it would be close to a river, have some minerals, and be able to construct a granary starting in 3 turns.

[Shiber]

Does anyone have any more thoughts on the subject of ending the war this turn?

[MrWhereItsAt]

This is highly difficult. Hopefully I can get some of the people who turn up in the chat to agree to whatever I decide re: ending the war and also on what to get through the chat.

My current feeling is to end it now, after moving units nearer to Chartres for impact, as well as getting the cities in the peace, with buying Feudalism afterwards. Or maybe I don't want to risk NOT getting Feudalism, and will get that instead of cities. I don't know! THIS decision is f***ing hard. I will have to sleep on it. Fortunately I can - 3-5 hours before the chat.

If you're turning up, have good arguments to convinve me.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
My current feeling is to end it now, after moving units nearer to Chartres for impact,

You mean Rheims right?

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
as well as getting the cities in the peace,

I'll give you an argument against that right now: Rouen and/or another (let's face it) crap town is not worth the extra 220+ gold we'll have to pay for Feudalism if we buy it later. We can easily culture-flip Rouen in a matter of 25-30 turns or conquer it in a 2nd campaign against the French in ~40 turns.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

This is not a hard decision. There hasn't been an intelligent argument for taking Rheims, Chartres, or Munich since the 210 BC save was uploaded. We have to let them grow a bit before they're ripe is all.

I don't think razing Munich will help in peace negotiations with Germany. Munich's existing and potentially providing Germany with dyes would. They don't get those dyes unless they make peace with us.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I don't think razing Munich will help in peace negotiations with Germany. Munich's existing and potentially providing Germany with dyes would. They don't get those dyes unless they make peace with us.

Interesting thought. I hope the AI is smart enough to figure this out.
Anyway, I'm for not razing Munich as well.

Ghengis: so do you agree that we need to end the war with France this turn?

[OPD]

Why we should continue the war.

Bhah I can't belive I'm the only one supporting the war effort.

1. Not taking the land of Rhiems/ Chartes will leave our new cities cut off from the rest of our empire. The whole French campaign will be a bit of a waste if the cities we've captured are left stranded.

2. It is possible for us to beat the greeks to settling the site of Rhiems if we start building a settler now after all the greeks are at war and not in REX.

3. It will be alot easier to take/raze the cities now when we have the upper hand.

4. A second campaing is a long way off as they will start building pikemen now.

5. It is highly unlikely that Chartes will flip too us. In fact Marsielles will flip to the Greeks first. (can't remember the new name for Marseilles.)

6. A serious campaign against the Germans is IMHO unfesable ATM. Although it would be nice to weaken them by taking Hamburg it will take alot and won't really benefit us that much. Wereas taking the land of Rheims/Chartes would be of use to us as they are close enough to our capital

[Aro]

Originally posted by OPD


The intention is not to build a granary to let the city grow big it is too build a granary then let the city grow to 5 or 6 and then build a load of workers untill the city is a 1 pop. Then when it grows back to a 6 again another load of workers/settlers can be built. A granary means that growth from a 1 to a 6 will take 25 turns rather than the usual 50 turns.

This way wroker/settler prod could be achieved without significant loss to pop in other cities.

With a new gov and some irrigation growth from a 1 to a 6 could be as little as 15 turns.

Agreed. We need those worker's factories, we have a lot of jungle to cut off (not to mention roads, mines, irrigation)...
And yes, stop the war now!

[OPD]

Why we should raze Munich

We should raze Munich not because it will help in the negotiations but so that we can take the land. As it is surrounded by our borders we can put off settling it while we have other concerns too.

Also I wouldn't count on a culture flip to us and the Germans would be pissed if it did anyway.

[Kuciwalker]

OPD - our cities will not be cut off. We're getting an RoP with the French, so we can trade on roads through their territory.

[Aro]

Re: Why we should continue the war.

Originally posted by OPD
Bhah I can't belive I'm the only one supporting the war effort.

1. Not taking the land of Rhiems/ Chartes will leave our new cities cut off from the rest of our empire. The whole French campaign will be a bit of a waste if the cities we've captured are left stranded.

2. It is possible for us to beat the greeks to settling the site of Rhiems if we start building a settler now after all the greeks are at war and not in REX.

3. It will be alot easier to take/raze the cities now when we have the upper hand.

4. A second campaing is a long way off as they will start building pikemen now.

5. It is highly unlikely that Chartes will flip too us. In fact Marsielles will flip to the Greeks first. (can't remember the new name for Marseilles.)

6. A serious campaign against the Germans is IMHO unfesable ATM. Although it would be nice to weaken them by taking Hamburg it will take alot and won't really benefit us that much. Wereas taking the land of Rheims/Chartes would be of use to us as they are close enough to our capital

In this case, we need the settlers as soon as we can, to fill the gaps, 'cause Rheims and Chartres will be autorazed.
About Marseilles, could we built a temple or something to prevent the flip?

[Aggie]

Germany will not make peace until we have taken a city or they have taken one of ours and also they are in republic. Munich will NOT we razed, they can't pop rush. By taking it we secure nothing less than a one city gain in the war. We can also attack later, but taking munich will make them come to the table if we need peace.
Aggie

[OPD]

ROP? don't make me laugh

The cities of Rhiems and Chartes would be alot more useful to us than the other 3 cities considering their proximity.



Aro: building a temple won't make any difference.