Turnthread orders for 290 BC

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[Shiber]

BHQ can change production to swordsman and rush it at the cost of one citizen. IMHO it should.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Some points:

Aggie - 270 BC

Perhaps we should leave Chartres, since it appears many fear the poprush will take it into autoraze territory, and we will just waste a turn or two that would be better spent at Rheims.

Aggie and WhiteBandit:

The workers 2 E of Loveshack CANNOT move over the river in one turn to reach Loveshack (we don't have Engineering that allows us to use roads over rivers), and moving thus would expose use to attack. The only safe option is to move the workersS or SE and to support them with one of the Spearmen from UberGorsk, until they can reach Uber the next turn. This negates the capture Persian worker tactic, as it would leave UberGorsk defenceless.

WhiteBandit:

re your orders for the Seeburg worker-to-be: would it not be better to stack it with the existing one? That why things get done fast - we need certain improvements, rather than two or three worked on at once, that may not be finished if they are interrupted with a Persian or German.

Paris worker: I don't think we should move it yet. We can leave it until the war with them is over. That warrior (small as it is) W of Paris (Here It Is) scares me a little.

The workers N of Termina building the road to Chartres - let us go NO further. We could move towards Chartres and see a French unit right in the unknown bit, and that worker would be toast. And I personally am devoted to seeing that no Apolytonian citizen should be shackled into slavery! (Well, as few as possible, anyway )

Poprushing using the workers?

I like this - not necessary now, but let us keep the workers close enough that they may be used at a moment's notice.

GenghisFarb - some good posts, but...

we are using v1.21 still, so do you know if the upgrade-all means that moved units upgrade as well in that patch?

And don't worry about the Persians, but go straight for Hamburg? Maybe, but what about the terrible threat of pillaging the roads to Ubergorsk? No more Iron! This wouldn't be too bad if we upgraded all now and started on Horses/Chariots, but it would be best to keep those ropads intact in case we need more swords.

That's it for now.

El Presidente
MrWIA

[Shiber]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
The workers 2 E of Loveshack CANNOT move over the river in one turn to reach Loveshack (we don't have Engineering that allows us to use roads over rivers), and moving thus would expose use to attack.

It's true that they can't reach Loveshack in one turn but the Persian troops can't catch them since they can't use our roads (the RoP is over) so the workers will be safe (unless I misunderstood you completely and you were talking about another threat which I haven't noticed).

MWIA, I'm interested to know what your opinion towards dealing with Greek demands is (accept or refuse).

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Some points:

The workers 2 E of Loveshack CANNOT move over the river in one turn to reach Loveshack (we don't have Engineering that allows us to use roads over rivers), and moving thus would expose use to attack.

The only safe option is to move the workersS or SE and to support them with one of the Spearmen from UberGorsk, until they can reach Uber the next turn. This negates the capture Persian worker tactic, as it would leave UberGorsk defenceless.

I'm pretty sure everyone realizes it will take two turns for the workers to move to Loveshack, of course if your worried about our two workers getting into a slapping contest with the German worker you could move one of the spearman out of Loveshack to capture it.

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
GenghisFarb - some good posts, but...

we are using v1.21 still, so do you know if the upgrade-all means that moved units upgrade as well in that patch?

No I don't that's why I specified which patch I'm on. However it shouldn't affect the first turn anyway as that warrior north of BHQ needs to go there to upgrade anyway. Simply move it FIRST and if it allows it to get upgraded when you upgrade the other swordsmen, great. Otherwise no harm done, we upgrade the next turn like we had planned anyway.

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt And don't worry about the Persians, but go straight for Hamburg? Maybe, but what about the terrible threat of pillaging the roads to Ubergorsk? No more Iron! This wouldn't be too bad if we upgraded all now and started on Horses/Chariots, but it would be best to keep those ropads intact in case we need more swords.

Absoulutely. The only Persian we have to worry about is that Archer by Del Monte. The rest are guarding settlers and will move AWAY from our forces as fast as possible. If your worried about the iron move a veteran spearman to take the Persian worker then move it onto the iron to guard it.

The Persians won't be here in time to fight the war as their troops are 12-18 jungle spaces away with NO roads. Persia war is Apolytonia vs Tyre and Sidon.

Munich won't do anything as Germany won't want to risk losing it and its dyes. It's not a threat as it only produces one shield a turn (thanks to the jungle) and by taking Hamburg quickly we seize a back up iron and give Germany a reason to make peace quickly. (We'll be within striking range of Berlin. We can't take Berlin, but the AI doesn't think like that)

Munich won't do anything as Germany won't want to risk losing it and its dyes. It's not a threat as it only produces one shield a turn (thanks to the jungle) and by taking Hamburg quickly we seize a back up iron and give Germany a reason to make peace quickly. (We'll be within striking range of Berlin. We can't take Berlin, but the AI doesn't think like that)

[Aggie]

MWIA, I do worry about the threat of pillaging and iother harrassment and inconvienice that having those archers in our territory causes. That is why after much thought I will continue with the plan of having our new swordsmen hunt down and destroy enemy units in our area. Also we will recieve about 4 slaves. One Sword will get redeployed toward del monte to get "Robin hood". The remaining swordmens will then attack Munich, if peace has not been declared by then. Perhaps an attack on hamburg can be launched, but I feel I would be neglecting my duty if I left
1)Enemy in our territory
2)Enemy city (munich) in our territory
The orders do reflect and will reflect this.

I've done much thought about the french front and Have come to the conclusion that both rohen and chartes will pop rush. So I will move one of the archers and one spear to relieve the garrison in Paris and also to free up more swords for the final assault on Rheimes. The rest( 3 archers) will all join the main army. Orders will reflect this soon.

GodKing: If wc can't be upgrade to horse, please produce a few horses 2-3 to assist with future operation. I would like wc but do not feel GA is desired now. Also I beg you to NOT pop rush. The gain is tempting, but remember the one reason I can't send all forces N from Mingapulco is that unhappiness will occur. We might get a unit alright, but they might have to stay to quell unhappiness. Also please keep termina producing temple, it is long overdue.

Spiffor: Can you please raise the lux rate so that we can get to size for with no units w/temple.
Aggie

[OPD]

I can see horsemen getting cut to pieces in the terrain we may be fighting on.

[WhiteBandit]

Public Works orders are updated.

MWIA, WOW! I didn't even think about those consequences! I suppose that's what I get for writing my orders at 2am.

But my orders have been updated to your recommendations. Thanks!

[Panag]

hi ,

, can the paris workforce not start yet , defended by a unit , and draw that little chicken out of the jungle that wonders around , ....

have a nice day

[Shiber]

Re: Public Works orders are updated.

Originally posted by WhiteBandit
MWIA, WOW! I didn't even think about those consequences! I suppose that's what I get for writing my orders at 2am.

But my orders have been updated to your recommendations. Thanks!

No, MWIA is wrong. We've expected that the workers can't move to Loveshack in one turn but it doesn't matter, they won't be open to attack because the Persian troops only move one tile per turn within our territory (they can't use our roads). They simply can't chase our workers.

Quoting an earlier reply to MWIA's message regarding this:

Originally posted by Shiber
It's true that they can't reach Loveshack in one turn but the Persian troops can't catch them since they can't use our roads (the RoP is over) so the workers will be safe (unless I misunderstood you completely and you were talking about another threat which I haven't noticed).

[UnOrthOdOx]

Shiber, I think he may have been referring to stacking the workers so that more gets done quicker in case they get interrupted by enemy forces.

[Aggie]

I am announcing an aletration to intial paln(ofcourse uber can reverse it). If we put archer and spear in paris we can move the 2 swoprdmen and join the army in orleans. Then the whole happy group can go after rheimes earlier. I though about this because it occured to me that the french will pop rush a heck of alot of units(swords I guess) and since the culture wouldn't have expanded rheims will die, so we need to take it quicker.
Aggie

[Shiber]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Shiber, I think he may have been referring to stacking the workers so that more gets done quicker in case they get interrupted by enemy forces.

Huh?
Sorry, I'm totally lost here.
I believe MWIA said that because the workers can't reach Loveshack in one turn to seek refuge but in two (because of the river that is cutting off the road) they will be in danger if they move to Loveshack, and proposed a different plan which involved using a spearman from Ubergorsk to protect them. I said this is not true because there's no way the Persian troops can catch those workers if they start moving towards Loveshack now either because the Persians will be moving at the exact same speed.
I don't see what any of this has to do with stacking workers so that they complete jobs faster. Can you please explain?
Or perhaps what you've meant was that WhiteBandit referred to a different plan that MWIA proposed and I'm mixing things up.
Could you clear it all up for me? Sorry for being so stupid.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Aggie
MWIA, I do worry about the threat of pillaging and iother harrassment and inconvienice that having those archers in our territory causes. That is why after much thought I will continue with the plan of having our new swordsmen hunt down and destroy enemy units in our area. Also we will recieve about 4 slaves. One Sword will get redeployed toward del monte to get "Robin hood". The remaining swordmens will then attack Munich, if peace has not been declared by then.

That's acceptable. If we're not sure our swordsmen can handle Hamburg, have them fight settlers and sieze Munich. Easy win and might get us peace with Germany.

Originally posted by Aggie
Perhaps an attack on hamburg can be launched, but I feel I would be neglecting my duty if I left1)
1)Enemy in our territory
2)Enemy city (munich) in our territory

The ONLY way we're taking Hamburg is to do so IMMEDIATELY. (OT-Gen Douglas MacArthur's cursing in his grave over that "neglecting my duty" comment, his Island Hopping strategy vastly sped up the end to the War in the Pacific.)

If we're going this option we should be at peace with Germany in 4-5 turns. And Hamburg is NOT an option.

Originally posted by Aggie
I've done much thought about the french front and Have come to the conclusion that both rohen and chartes will pop rush. So I will move one of the archers and one spear to relieve the garrison in Paris and also to free up more swords for the final assault on Rheimes. The rest( 3 archers) will all join the main army. Orders will reflect this soon.

Good plan, didn't I propose that somewhere?

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
WhiteBandit:

re your orders for the Seeburg worker-to-be: would it not be better to stack it with the existing one? That why things get done fast - we need certain improvements, rather than two or three worked on at once, that may not be finished if they are interrupted with a Persian or German.

Paris worker: I don't think we should move it yet. We can leave it until the war with them is over. That warrior (small as it is) W of Paris (Here It Is) scares me a little.

The workers N of Termina building the road to Chartres - let us go NO further. We could move towards Chartres and see a French unit right in the unknown bit, and that worker would be toast. And I personally am devoted to seeing that no Apolytonian citizen should be shackled into slavery! (Well, as few as possible, anyway )

Poprushing using the workers?

I like this - not necessary now, but let us keep the workers close enough that they may be used at a moment's notice.

That clear it up?