Turnthread orders for 290 BC

[Shiber]

BHQ should switch from producing a spearman to producing a swordsman (it can complete one in 4 turns and swordsmen are greatly needed).
Afterwards it should produce warriors which can be upgraded to swordsmen for money.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber

We don't need a barracks to rush a swordsman. This strategy will work whether Loveshack has barracks or not (it doesn't btw). Of course Loveshack will produce a regular swordsman instead of a veteran, but beggers can't be choosers.

Exactly, if we're gonna rush a swordsmen, let's make it a Veteran one, not a Regular one.

Originally posted by Treestumpx
Off Topic:

Just in case you are wondering, Mr Farb, but using our Swordsmen swords to chop trees and jungle would ruin the blade and make the sword nearly useless (ie: sharpening the swords after would not fix them). I whould hate to see our attack rolles drop to 1 or 0

Why can't they use one edge for Jungle clearing (we sure need it) and one edge for Persian clearing?

I also agree with WhiteBandit and Shiber's last posts.

[UnOrthOdOx]

No more swords. Build horses, or chariots. Something that won't be outdated soon and can upgrade for a long time to come.

And I don't think you can produce warriors once you have access to Swordsmen.

[Shiber]

You're right, I overlooked that.
Regarding horsemen: right again. We should upgrade our existing warriors, of course, but we must not produce any new swordsmen. Horsemen will help us more in the long run, and they can retreat from battle too which will be a nice advantage over Persia since they have no fast units. They will also be very helpful when we attack and capture Hamburg.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
You're right, I overlooked that.
Regarding horsemen: right again. We should upgrade our existing warriors, of course, but we must not produce any new swordsmen. Horsemen will help us more in the long run, and they can retreat from battle too which will be a nice advantage over Persia since they have no fast units. They will also be very helpful when we attack and capture Hamburg.

Horsemen are what we need to take Sidon, they won't be much use against Hamburg, swordsmen are way better as the Jungle and Mountains will reduce the horsemen to movement 1. That's (movement 2) their only advantage.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
No more swords. Build horses, or chariots. Something that won't be outdated soon and can upgrade for a long time to come.

And I don't think you can produce warriors once you have access to Swordsmen.

hi ,

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swords can be usefull they are the best foot unit for a while , ....we should keep them and later disband them when we are building a new type of unit , in that process , ...this will save some shields , ...

indeed we need horseman , a stack of them are good to for fast attacks , capturing workers , ....get to a spot fast , ....

together with pikeman they should for the backbone of our army , ...

as for the upgrades , ...maybe we should go after Leo's shop and at Magellans voyage , ....(naval units)

have a nice day

[UnOrthOdOx]

Panag, yes, keep the swords we have. Even upgrade our remaining warriors, but do not BUILD any more. Look to the future. I would take horses over Swords for defensive purposes given our empire anyway.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Panag, yes, keep the swords we have. Even upgrade our remaining warriors, but do not BUILD any more. Look to the future. I would take horses over Swords for defensive purposes given our empire anyway.

hi ,

well the idea was only a couple more , like about 4-6 , ....

what ever we have of units that we dont use we can either disband it for the help of an improvement or modern unit , ....

have a nice day

[Aro]

No more swords, I agree. But upgrade the warriors we have as soon as possible. We are horribly undefended in our east front, especially Napoleton and Geofront. It's expensive, I know, but retake cities, or worst, rebuild some could cost us much more.

[Aro]

About horsemen,
BHQ is producing a spearman in 2 turns, can change to horseman in 4 turns
Tassagrad, a spearman in 4 turns, or horseman in 7 turns
Apolyton, spearman in 3 turns, horseman in 5 turns
Napoleton, barracks in 38 turns, spearman in 18 turns (a long time, both cases)

Other cities, like Geofront, Ubergorsk, Loveshack, Timeline, Thebes, etc, are producing temples or barracks, and I wouldn’t like to change the queues.

[Robber Baron]

By the way, we should unfortify one of the spearmen in Ubergorsk and nab that Persian worker next to Sidon. I doubt we'd lose the spear, and we'd get a slave. (That's teach Xander to declare war!)

[edited: typo]

[Shiber]

Hmm... well, it's risky because the archer N of Ubergorsk might attack and win. But then again, it's one regular archer vs. a veteran fortified spearman behind a wall. I have calculated that the chances to withstand this attack are 2.467 to 1 in favor of our spearman.

[GhengisFarb™]

Miscellaneous Ponderings...
HAMBURG
My suggestion for the Expeditionary force for Hamburg:
Move the warrior just north of BHQ into BHQ.
Choose one of the warriors in BHG and shift-U upgrade (upgrades all swordsmen), in 1.29 this will upgrade the swordsman we just moved.

Move one spearmen from Termina towards Tass and move one from Apolyton to Tass.

Second turn move the two spearman and swordsman form Tass over the River of Much Annoyance.

Move the three swordsmen from BHQ over the River of Much Annoyance.

We now have a stack of 2 Veteran Spearman, 2 Veteran Swordsmen, and 2 Regular Swordsmen to march on Hamburg. March up the road to Seeburg and ignore any Persian Settlers. We'll take care of them with home troops.

I'd continue moving that spearmen from Termina on up to BHQ.

Might want to start on some Horsemen in the Four Core cities to send to Sidon.

Would use the worker in Gaia, the new one we're building in Seeburg, and the one from Del Monte (when finished on current task) to work on the road to Seeburg.

I would also suggest temporarily pulling the worker stack from Timeline (when they've finished their current task) to help on the road to Seeburg.

The whole "Ham Sandwich" operation hinges on speed.

OTHER
I wouldn't worry about any of the Persian forces within our territory as their all guarding settlers.

The exception is Robin Hood over by Del Monte. he hasn't got a settler (guess he ate the settler when he crossed Donner pass) so the AI will feel free to use him to attack our cities and units , etc.

FRANCE
I wouldn't worry about Rouen or Chartres, secure Marseilles and Rheims and be done with them. If we can get them in the peace treaty, fine.

Chartres is ours in the long run and Rouen is pretty much useless.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
Hmm... well, it's risky because the archer N of Ubergorsk might attack and win. But then again, it's one regular archer vs. a veteran fortified spearman behind a wall. I have calculated that the chances to withstand this attack are 2.467 to 1 in favor of our spearman.

Yeah, I'd say its worth a shot.

[GodKing]

Does anybody know for sure if war chariots upgrade? I never play the egyptians, so I do not know if they upgrade or not....

Wait one, I will load up the editor and that should tell....

Yes, it does upgrade to knight. Biggest difference between horsie and wc is cost (wc is only 2/3 of horsie) and wc is wheeled (although it looks like that was removed in 1.29...)

So will start on wc soonest. In the former french cities, as they are not connected they still have the opportunity to make warriors. They are cheep for the price but only grow up to be swords. What do people prefer?

For Pina Colada these are the preliminary orders:

Chiquita - No change. Pop rush ASAP
Del Monte - switch to barracks. Do not pop rush.
Gaia - switch to barracks.
Timeline - work grass tile with shield now. After growth, send new workers onto the forest like we currently are working. Do not pop rush barracks unless desperate.

Other regions I am waiting to hear from OPD, Randelnep and jdjdjd regarding specifics. I have backups already designed if they do not post.

One interesting item is that there have been several requests to build a port asap, so we can trade? this would have to be in one of our core cities and thus would reduce the unit production ability. Comments?