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[Franses]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
That making an offer thing. Is that for selling as well? Making the first one to post have an advantage in both buying AND selling? Geeze. There is room for abuse in that one either way...

I suppose you refer to the proposal I made regarding the trade proposals. I am not sure it is interpreted correctly so I will give an example:

Market Assesment 4:4=$100
OneGuy offers one commerce and sets a minimum price of $70
SecondGuy offers two commerce and sets a minimum price of $0
ThirdGuy offers one commerce and sets a minimum price of $40

The turn is closed. Final D:S=4:8=$50
OneGuy does not sell his commerce at this price so he is taken out of the equation. New final D:S=4:7=$57
SecondGuy and Thirdguy now sell their commerce at $57.

So, it does not matter when you post at all. You will always get the D:S price unless you did not want to sell against such a low price. In that case you are taken out of the supply factor, which makes it no longer possible to influence the price as Epistax described is possible with the current system.

Edit: Unorthodox, I was preparing this post and when returned saw your selling example. I hope the above clarifies that too. If not, I will go into that further (tomorrow, I guess. Its getting late and I have some other things to do).

Ghengis,

I like the idea of "worker" auctions. I suggest we make them use 1 food instead of 0.5. 0.5 will always give a problem at uneven numbers. I suppose we can sell them to eachother? Might be fun.

I do not yet see the advantage of submarkets but do not mind using them either. It certainly will complicate things for the banker. Did you realise that?

Limiting supply to the city tile is to drastic, in my opinion. It means that default prices will be something like 20/2=$1000. With everybody selling everything they still sell at about $100, which is to high in respect to the price of the land (and the buildings but they can still be adapted). I think the conversion buildings proposed will completely solve the demand/supply problem. Don't you?

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Franses
Ghengis,

I like the idea of "worker" auctions. I suggest we make them use 1 food instead of 0.5. 0.5 will always give a problem at uneven numbers. I suppose we can sell them to eachother? Might be fun.

In my post I suggested ignoring the half number so 5 labor would consume the same as 4 labor, namely 2 food.

Captain had originally planned on us hiring labor from each other but never offered a method.

Originally posted by Franses I do not yet see the advantage of submarkets but do not mind using them either. It certainly will complicate things for the banker. Did you realise that?

No monumental difference at all so there's no reason to resist it.........

Already started setting up a system to track it.

Originally posted by Franses Limiting supply to the city tile is to drastic, in my opinion. It means that default prices will be something like 20/2=$1000. With everybody selling everything they still sell at about $100, which is to high in respect to the price of the land (and the buildings but they can still be adapted). I think the conversion buildings proposed will completely solve the demand/supply problem. Don't you?

Oh, my bad would we be making more money?

Our supply is in excess of demand for food so there will be price wars and the price is pretty much guaranteed to drop below $100. Each city produces 2 food so the base line would be 28:8. We produce 30-32 food now and probably more when we upgrade governements. So in a worse case scenario the price would be 28:38=$78 before the price war.

We can always change the Base Amount from $100 to some other amount. I suggest exactly that for shields and probably commerce. Has anybody come up with a source for shield demand?

[Epistax]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Ok, I am confused on the offer thing then.

I offer to buy 2 .... blah blah blah

Yes this is a big problem. Thus my saying "Sell 2 Shields at D/S" or buy. It just means your willing to match them whever they might go.

What we need to consider:

If someone offers food at a price above the supply and demand, is it really supply? No one would consider buying it. I don't think a whole lot of expensive stuff effects the value of the cheaper stuff.

[Duddha]

I would like to purchase 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000. What do I do?

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Duddha
I would like to purchase 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), $1000. What do I do?

You now own 010 Termina NE (mined grass rd), have $1000 debt (16 turn grace period after which you pay 10% interest to the government), and the tile produces 2 food, 1 shield, and 1 commerce.

Note: I will update the map later, when Aro gets the new one updated.

[Franses]

I published my Excel file on a website. I added the pictures of Spiffor/GhengisFarb to the tile overview/Estate overview. It is not perfect yet, but it is a start. The pop-up you may get does not come from my site. I hate these things.

You can find the Excel file here

Let me know if you like it or not.

By the way the market status sheet does not contain the latest GhengisFarb deal that was made a couple of minutes before closure . I did not have the time to include it.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Franses
By the way the market status sheet does not contain the latest GhengisFarb deal that was made a couple of minutes before closure . I did not have the time to include it.

I had to wake up at 3:30 am to be there for the market close and tabulate the ending tranactions, so bleah!

I think we should try to have a trading session during the week and one over the weekend.

Say Tuesday afternoon to Friday morning, and Friday afternoon to Monday morning. That gives a decent amount of time to notice the thread and propose transactions.

At two sessions a week it will still take 7 weeks to finish off the grace period, not that it concerns some of you.

Course, unless we agree on a new market system I may just continue to depress market prices..........
(I just finished tabulating my various stockpiles )

[notyoueither]

I'll take 007 to add to my estates.

[Epistax]

I have a tavern 2/10 complete. Are we going to be reducing the price or not? I only plan on working one more into it next turn so it doesn't matter right away, but it will eventually. If it stays at 10, I'll probably have to pay off my debt first.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I'll take 007 to add to my estates.

You already have an estate! Current Landowners aren't allowed to bid for more land until the next auction, and then only if they've paid off their debts. (those were the rules Captain laid down)

New members were supposed to be allowed to purchase unsold land under the same conditions we did.

Check Spiffor's Market Debate Thread for ideas regarding new market tweaks and building stats.

[Franses]

Originally posted by Epistax
I have a tavern 2/10 complete. Are we going to be reducing the price or not? I only plan on working one more into it next turn so it doesn't matter right away, but it will eventually. If it stays at 10, I'll probably have to pay off my debt first.

I am preparing a post that polls the players regarding current solutions. I hope to finish it in the next hour. Otherwise tomorrow morning.

[Franses]

To all:

Poll posted. You can find it here

Please post your opinion and give us directions on how to proceed.

[Kuciwalker]

I want to buy the tile directly S of Tassagrad.

[Epistax]

lol ok if it's open then you're in the game. wait for GF to respond.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by skywalker
I want to buy the tile directly S of Tassagrad.

You now own 019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?), have $1000 debt to the government at 10% interest (15 turn Grace Period) and it produces 2 food(Grain), 1 shield(Bricks), and 1 commerce.