The Presidency of Apolytonia (Campaign Thread)

[jdd2007]

haha i know who im gonna vote for anyway ...

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Trip

Says you.


But it does prove that I am 100% capable.


No need to get huffy now.

I've done a lot more than most people would. What if someone else had had the job and did less? Would that be the standard? I'm not elevating myself above anyone else who is capable of what I've done, I just think I've done more than most would, that's all. No one even ran the first time. Why? Don't ask me. Maybe they weren't willing to put the time into doing the job correctly. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they just didn't want to do it.

Jdd2007, the entire conversation has basically been Ninot saying "I can do everything that Trip can do", while I reply "If you only do as much as I already have, then why not vote for a proven canidate instead?"

Hmm...I think I know who I'm voting for now.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Hmm...I think I know who I'm voting for now.

By all means.

[Ninot]

Trip, we've gone over this, and I dont think you can realise this simple point..

Your the only person who has tried his hand at everything you've done. But, as we have gone over it, it has become a presidential duty.

And yes.. it IS me who says I can do better than you... if you hadn't realised, I am running against you for exactly that reason, because I think your replaceable.

And it is exactly for that reason why I ask the people to vote for me. Vote ME in and you will find out that someone can do the job better.

What YOU are saying is that while I am unproven in your field, you ARE proven, and to hell with the idea of anyone else proving themselves, because that might be risky!

I am not going to be a risky choice. I will prove myself if given the opportunity with this job.

Oh, and as far as turnchats go, I beg to differ.

Sure, you had the problems you did have, but you could have turned the chats over to a VP quicker when you were incapacitated (such as the July 1'st chat). We waited about an hour to find out you couldnt use your civ3.

Trip, although I am sure I could prove the better prez if elected, i must say, it sure is easy to dismiss something if youve never tried it. Your doing that just now, by inferring to the voters that you are the vanilla choice that is proven to satisfy, and that I am that wild card. If every incumbent chose the same tactic, then i say God help Democracy.

[Timeline]

Not to fling mud, but I would just like to mention Trip has many times started turnchats earlier than the set time, and I recall more then one upset Minister. Also, Trip many times starts them up late. I feel someone who respects the times that are set, and sticks to them, would be welcomed in office. Again, sorry if anyone considers this flinging mud, but it is just my opinion.

BTW, question for Trip: If elected, will you be able to continue dedicating as much time as you usually do to Apolytonia? I thought I heard mention of you leaving in 2 weeks...

[Jon Shafer]

Shush Linney, we all know whom you're going for anyways.
Unless you can bring up other instances, I can't recall starting turnchats sooner than originally advertised except for one of the first ones. I even stated in a thread that it would be starting earlier 4 days before the turnchat was held, and while over 20 made it, only two people ever complained. The one time I was substantially late was because of the computer, not of my doing, and the situation will never arise again anyways... meanwhile, you weren't doing much in regards to taking over in the meantime. In regards to other times I started 'late', I don't believe waiting 10 minutes later for the Public Works Minister to arrive isn't exactly destructive to the game, nor does it cause any permanent psychological damage among the participants.

I won't be leaving after all, since my work schedule will be completely fine with the regular occurrence of the turnchats. I will be around until August 18th at least. Anything after that is doubtful, but the next set of elections are over by then anyways.

Anyways...

Ninot, what would you do different? What exactly would you do different? Post extra polls each week? Hold fewer turnchats? Propose more amendments? Things like that can be done on a whim by any person, using them as campaigning fodder is unconvincing of a particular candidate’s superiority. Stating, "I'm going to be different" is inane unless you can back up what you plan on doing different, and only if the things you do differently are practical and useful. Things like "I won't delay turnchats an hour because I can't run Civ" aren't what I'm talking about. I was sure I could get it to work, but the video card was too old... but anyways, that's not the issue at hand.

The fact is, unlike the Presidency in the real world, Presidency here at Apolytonia is a much more "do it, then report about it" than the way it is in real countries. The President of Apolytonia can't simply say "I'm going to reduce taxes by 10% to increase our science rate"... nope, that's the job of the Minister of the Economy. Increase the size of the military? Sorry, that's the joint arena of the City Planner and Minister of the Military. In this job, there really aren't that many places where you can explore new things, make different decisions, execute your agenda, etc. Proposing radical new... uh... website colors probably can't get you elected. In that area, the President can only do what any other citizen can: put the idea up for discussion and try to convince the powers that be to agree to his proposal.

If you can come up with a practical and realistic 'agenda' that is better than mine currently, by all means, say what ya mean and I'll reply. Of course, I'm not just going to sit here twiddling my thumbs updating stickied threads and stuff; I'm going to be doing 'new' things regarding amendments, polling, the website, etc. etc... But I really don't think those are things that you can really advertise as being marketable qualities while campaigning for a particular office. Those things are fairly obvious, and (as we've come to the conclusion), are a requirement of the job.

If every inventor tried throwing in a few nuts and bolts in a machine that already works as designed, then may God help that poor soul.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Trip

By all means.

Alright....Well, I'm voting for Ninot and I'll tell you why.

Both of you seem to be the same. However, you trip seem to be quick to emotion and it makes me wonder, will you do that when a decision needs to be made? A vote? Even words? Because if and when the time comes for a president to make a decision, I'd personally like him to sit down and think about it, not to judge by emotion.

I also feel as if you would make decisions without consulting the people. You just seem to come across as someone who wants to make all the decisions for yourself, and not consult with the people.

However, if you could clarify....I'd be more than happy to listen.

And remember: Nothing perosnal, it's just a game

[Robber Baron]

Here's a question for the candidates:
Is this your first experience with demo games? (It is mine, btw.)
I ask because it seems to me we are all learning here how to structure this project so that
a) it's democratic
b) it's playable as a Civ game
c) it's fun.
It turns out to be a complicated thing to pull off. We've probably made some mistakes. We've been learning, we're still tweaking. What we've needed most of all from our leaders is good humor, public spiritedness, dedication, imagination, and a willingness to work together.
Think about it, voters. Speak to it, candidates. This is our lifeblood. This is our foundation we're all building.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Robber Baron
Here's a question for the candidates:
Is this your first experience with demo games? (It is mine, btw.)
I ask because it seems to me we are all learning here how to structure this project so that
a) it's democratic
b) it's playable as a Civ game
c) it's fun.
It turns out to be a complicated thing to pull off. We've probably made some mistakes. We've been learning, we're still tweaking. What we've needed most of all from our leaders is good humor, public spiritedness, dedication, imagination, and a willingness to work together.
Think about it, voters. Speak to it, candidates. This is our lifeblood. This is our foundation we're all building.

Yes, it's my first time with either Demo Game. However, I feel that this is an advantage to me and my platform. The people in the Civ 3 Demo Game and the Civ 2 Demo Game have different views on things, and things are conducted in a much different manner. During my first term, I felt I have successfully helped shape the way things are done, and if reelected I'm confident that progressive tendancy will continue until we've established a firm base for the rest of the game to continue on. At this point in the game, that is what is necassary from our President more than anything else. Through my earlier progressive conduct in various areas regarding the Constitution, elections, turnchats, and other official matters, I feel I have proven that I can do many great things for the Demo Game if I'm allowed to stay in office, and I hope I get the chance to do so.

[Panag]

hi ,

may the best one get the job , ....

, maybe a small unofficial poll could bring some light , ....

have a nice day

[jdd2007]

are we allowed to hold unofficial polls?

like,

'if the election was held today, who would u vote for, x or y?'

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by jdd2007
are we allowed to hold unofficial polls?

like,

'if the election was held today, who would u vote for, x or y?'

There's nothing saying you can't do it, that I'm aware of at least.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Trip

There's nothing saying you can't do it, that I'm aware of at least.

hi ,

maybe we could put that in the constitution , ....

have a nice day

[OPD]

I'm going to vote for whoever can summerize their campaign into one paragraph.

[Jon Shafer]

Alright. Since I'm first you have to vote for me.

Why I feel I should be President of Apolytonia:
I have the definite experience of the job, and I know how things have been run. I helped create the system we have currently, I know it inside and out. I'm a dedicated, hard-working individual who puts hours every day into making this game a better place. Basically: I know what's going on, what the problems are, and how to fix them. If I'm reelected, then that's what I will have the chance to do.