Israel civ

[ThePlagueRat]

Civ3 was very political correct. Perhaps too much. Some realism got lost and stupid faces were included. I think the reason was that no one should become offended by the game concept and it could be played around the whole world. But why are you discussing religion here, when the moderator told us all to stick to the topic?

Europa Universalis is not using this political correctness concept. There are slaves, colonization, and the religious conflicts, so the REAL history as close to as it can be made, is the subject to replay. And you can play many different smaller nations if you like to. e.g. Holland, Mamelukes, Vietnam or even Norway.
I like to play the small ones and build up...

Civ3 it's not like that, and we gotta live with it or play another game. Don't you agree?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Abdul-Aziz, I do believe that Hitler should have been chosen for the Germans, and that he was not because of good marketing reason.

I am not a Nazi sympathizer and I do not support Hitler, nor I am an anti-semite or a raving pro-Israeli. I believe that the Civs in the game should be chosen due to their significance in history.

And with that, I leave this thread forever! Good luck to all of you who revel in ignorance, a sin in Judaism and Islam both!

[Panag]

Originally posted by Abdul-Aziz
Panag, Yahweh Sabaoth:

Belgium did much, it had big size with colonies (Zaire/Congo) and was one of colonial powers of 19th century.

Brunei - you probably don't know history of it. In fact, Kingdom of Bruinei before British came had conquered much of Indochina and Indonesian isles.

Golden Horde - was later than Mongols and it was already much different

Netherlands - important not only toda, always important. They firstly done the conception that to have better economy you have not to have bigger fields, but instead make them more efficient. Also, they were a big empire and Amsterdam was European trade center for centuries.

As for Israel being the start of Judaism, well ,it is, but it is the only state practicising it actually. So we than could add all the African animist states just because they practicises religions they've created. Islam and Christianity is already very different from Judaism btw.

Ottok, you said the truth.
Bweren, thanks for support :-)

hi ,

if you call going out and just "grabbing" land colonization , ..... they did absolutely nothing , .....

""As for Israel being the start of Judaism, well ,it is, but it is the only state practicising it actually. So we than could add all the African animist states just because they practicises religions they've created. Islam and Christianity is already very different from Judaism btw ""

*cough* please get some facts before you post such stuff , .....

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
Oh yeah...

We should have Judea, Samaria, Lebanon, Vietnam as well as the NL. Think about all the UU's: huge Goliaths and stuff, and even the VietCong!
(a dig in capability giving a huge defense bonus in terrain)

hi ,

, .... maybe we could have "indo - china" on the list , ..... laos , cambodia and vietnam combined in one civ , ....

have a nice day

[Abdul-Aziz]

So, land grabbers did nothing significant in your opinion, Israel is however also very aggressive landgrabbing state, it grabbed so much lands (1948 Palestine, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Golan Heights, Sha'aba Farms, once whole Lebanon and for even more time South Lebanon, two times whole Sinai peninsula...).

And what facts do I need? Judaism is followed by just one small country and only half of it. Same as with certain "bigger" African religions.

Indochina would be the same ignorant as if we would add "Israel-Lebanon-Jordan-Syria" civ. Siam could probably be added, since it was one of a few non-European states never colonized or partly-colonized. Khmers could be a worthy option also.

I've read your profile and seen that you admit being zionist and also that you want to free world from terrorism... Yet you advocate all Israeli terrorism in your posts. Or is the "zionist liberation" aimed at killing "all other terrorists" not seeking terrorists between the "God's chosen nation"?

Have a nice day...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Abdul-Aziz
I've read your profile and seen that you admit being zionist and also that you want to free world from terrorism... Yet you advocate all Israeli terrorism in your posts. Or is the "zionist liberation" aimed at killing "all other terrorists" not seeking terrorists between the "God's chosen nation"?

Have a nice day...

What part of my last posts do you NOT UNDERSTAND!

You are restricted for three days...

Have a nice day...

[ThePlagueRat]

Actually the Viet -something was an old mighty kingdom in the reneissance. In the EU2 you can actually play them. Perhaps they have events too? Check the out, if you got that game...

I think there are too few modern era UUs in Civ3.
We should have the VietCong (6.10.1 + no_terrain_penalty)
And Israel can have the the Merkava Mk3 tank (16.10.2 + self_destruction_capability). I friend of mine in the UN (NorBatt)said that certain Israeli tanks had self-destruction capabilities, I dunno if it is the Merkava. Perhaps it was supposed to be a secret? Ooops...

And Finland should have the good old Alpine unit from Civ2 as UU in Civ3. With a white camo of course, and not the stupid yellow one.

[Panag]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
Actually the Viet -something was an old mighty kingdom in the reneissance. In the EU2 you can actually play them. Perhaps they have events too? Check the out, if you got that game...

I think there are too few modern era UUs in Civ3.
We should have the VietCong (6.10.1 + no_terrain_penalty)
And Israel can have the the Merkava Mk3 tank (16.10.2 + self_destruction_capability). I friend of mine in the UN (NorBatt)said that certain Israeli tanks had self-destruction capabilities, I dunno if it is the Merkava. Perhaps it was supposed to be a secret? Ooops...

And Finland should have the good old Alpine unit from Civ2 as UU in Civ3. With a white camo of course, and not the stupid yellow one.

hi ,

, .....

, we should get the Merkava IV , but huh , what do you mean with the self-destruct ability , .......

since few civ's have modern day UU's we should get a couple modern ones in the game , ......

here is some outdated info on the Merkava III ;

MERKAVA MK 3 BAZ MAIN BATTLE TANK, ISRAEL
The Merkava is the main battle tank in service with the Israeli armed forces. The first Merkava Mk 1 tanks were supplied to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) in 1979. Production of the Mk 1 continued up to 1983, when the IDF began to receive the Merkava Mk 2. The Mk 2 featured improved mobility, fire control system and armour, as well as the inclusion of an internal 60mm mortar. Production of Mk 2 continued until 1990 when it was superseded by the Mk 3.

The Merkava Mk 3 Baz entered service with the IDF at the beginning of 1990. The main features of the Merkava Mk 3 are a new suspension system, a 1,200hp engine and new transmission, a higher power main gun, and particularly new armour protection. Ballistic protection is provided by special armour modules, which are attached to the tank by bolts. These are easily replaced whenever better ballistic technology is introduced. About 1,200 Merkava Mk 2 and Mk 3 tanks are in service with the IDF.

The Merkava Mk 4 entered full production in 2001 and will be in service with the Israel Defence Forces by 2004. Improvements include; new 120mm gun, new modular ballistic armour and new fire control system developed by El-Op.

ARMAMENT

The main gun is a 120mm smoothbore gun developed by Israeli Military Industries. The gun has a Vidco Industries thermal sleeve, which increases accuracy by preventing distortion through the effects of weather, heat and shock. The tank carries an ammunition store of 50 rounds of 120mm ammunition. The tank is also equipped with three 7.62mm machine guns, two roof mounted and one co-axial with the main gun. The tank carries a store of 10,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition.

The 60mm mortar system, which is a large calibre gun with a low muzzle velocity, is capable of firing high explosive rounds and illumination bombs. The crew can load, aim and fire the mortar system from within the turret. The mortar system is developed by Soltam Limited of Haifa.

TURRET

Hydraulic systems can be susceptible to impact damage and cause a fire hazard so the electro-hydraulic turret control system installed on the Mk 1 and 2 has been replaced by a totally electrical and electronic system in the Merkava Mk 3 for increased survivability and safety. Either the gunner or the commander operates the turret control system.

The crew is protected against nuclear, chemical and biological warfare by a high positive pressure system with air conditioning and filtration.

PROTECTION

The tank's is fitted with the Amcoram LWS-2 laser warning system, with threat warning display installed at the commander's station.

The turret and the hull are fitted with a modular armour system which can be changed in the field. The forward section of the turret is fitted with additional blocks of armour which provide extra protection against the latest generation of top attack anti-tank missiles.

A skirt of chains with ball weights is installed on the lower half of the turret bustle. Incoming HEAT projectiles detonate on impact with the chains instead of penetrating the turret ring. Sprung armour side skirts protect the wheels and tracks.

The welding and machining technology for the large armour body sections of the Merkava was developed by the Israeli Army Tank Depot, and the casting of ballistic steel materials was developed by Urdan Industries Ltd at Natanya.

FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION

The Knight Mk III advanced fire control system, from Electro Optics Industries (EL-OP) and Elbit Ltd, integrates with the turret control and gun control units and provides the tank with the ability to engage moving targets while on the move.

The gunner's station is equipped with a thermal sight and day television channel, which are stabilised in two axes. A laser rangefinder and target tracker are integrated into the gunner's sight. The Elbit automatic target tracker is able to automatically aim at the target using the image data presented on the day or night sights.

The commander's station is fitted with a sight which can be optically relayed to the gunner's sight. The Merkava 3 is being fitted with a new day/night stabilised panoramic sight, giving hunter/killer capacity.

PROPULSION

The Merkava Mk 3 is equipped with an AVDS-1790-9AR diesel supplied by Teledyne Continental Motors. The air-cooled diesel provides 1,200hp, compared to the 900hp engine installed in the Mk 1 and Mk 2. The tank's transmission system was developed by the Ashot Ashkelon Industries Limited subsidiary of Israel Military Industries. The Merkava Mark-3 carries 1,400 litres of fuel.

pic ; an M III


have a nice day

[ThePlagueRat]

Wow, what a UU you are presenting to us.
I really don't know about the self-destruction mechanism myself.
It was just something a friend of mine in the UN-peacekeeping forces said. It might have been just rumors, but it might also have been a secret. I'll go and ask him about it.

Btw, in SMAC all units can self-destruct. It would be difficult in Civ3, though. - a game where the cruise missiles cannot even be launched by ships.

[Panag]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
Wow, what a UU you are presenting to us.
I really don't know about the self-destruction mechanism myself.
It was just something a friend of mine in the UN-peacekeeping forces said. It might have been just rumors, but it might also have been a secret. I'll go and ask him about it.

Btw, in SMAC all units can self-destruct. It would be difficult in Civ3, though. - a game where the cruise missiles cannot even be launched by ships.

hi ,

hey what do you expect , the UN stands for ; U-know now Nothing , ......

give the editor a look , its easy to let subs or other ships to launch cruise missiles , .....

have a nice day

[ThePlagueRat]

I can fix it using the editor? Perhaps I can MOD it then, thanks!
It's a flag to switch for the cruise missile or ships, right?

[Panag]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
I can fix it using the editor? Perhaps I can MOD it then, thanks!
It's a flag to switch for the cruise missile or ships, right?

hi ,

see what the tactical nuke has flagged , ......

have a nice day

[Silpy]

I have come up with some criteria for civ status.

1) Has it suvived more than either
500 years (pre- 1000 BC)
300 years (after 1000 BC)
in reconisable form?

2) Has it directly inspired civs which followed it?

3) Has it left sufficant records for people to see?

I think this would exclude most civs in the world.

Bye.

I can (and have) be persaded by discussion in the past. And I am willing to admit it.

What ever our sexual orentation, religion, sex, age, nationality, political and cultural opinions, we are all as frail as each other.

[Silpy]

You cant rip into the UN when it does not agree with you. Exp when it has done things to your advantage in the past. You may not like it, but you should respect it, even if the US buys votes. That is what I will do with Iraq. If everybody ripped into it all the time, it would eventully collapse. Then where would we be?

[Dauphin]

International treaties are only honoured by peoples and nations when they are useful, I don't see why we should expect nations and peoples to honour international organisations any differently.

Its a shame, but thats the way it is.