Which Civs should be added after PTW?

[Sparkle]

sabrewolf

Oh, yes I´ve just noticed your note about the maps being of the languages. I didn´t see it before.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Sparkle
sabrewolf
Well, I don´t think there are many slavic Bosnians left after the Bosnian war :-(

how do you define "slavic bosnians"?

since the war actually the serbian population has gained a lot, because many croats were "ethnicly cleansed" out of BiH and many bosnians were killed.

[Sparkle]

sabrewolf

I found this on the web

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Ethnic groups:
Serb 31%, Bosniak 44%, Croat 17%, Yugoslav 5.5%, other 2.5% (1991)
note: Bosniak has replaced Muslim as an ethnic term in part to avoid confusion with the religious term Muslim - an adherent of Islam

Religions:
Muslim 40%, Orthodox 31%, Roman Catholic 15%, Protestant 4%, other 10%

So it seems that the "slavic bosnians" either don´t exist, or they have moslim religion, strange but everything is possible :-)

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

The "Bosniaks" are slavic. They are, genetically, little different from Serbs. They converted to Islam around the time of the 14th century, and have been slaughtered by the Serbs and Croats ever since.

To be fair, they've done a little slaughtering of their own.

BTW, as a side note, to be a Muslim means to be One Who Submits... to Al-Lah, The God. Hence, anyone who submits to the God can be a muslim. Muslim is not an ethnic term, though it's used as one by a good many of the idiots in the current State Department, and their friends in the media.

[Sparkle]

Yahweh Sabaoth

well I think that Muslims are now mostly used as a term for a social group, with some common attitude, tradition, religion, lifestyle... thanks to globalization, the tendency to sort people by their ethnical origin slowly changes into tendency of sorting people by their social groups...

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Sparkle
Yahweh Sabaoth

well I think that Muslims are now mostly used as a term for a social group, with some common attitude, tradition, religion, lifestyle... thanks to globalization, the tendency to sort people by their ethnical origin slowly changes into tendency of sorting people by their social groups...

well, you know, "muslim" is a religious term. It means, literally translated, "one who submits", in this case, to al-Lah (the-God).

I guess this is sort of off-topic, but I've noticed a lot of strange perceptions of Islam around here... propositions for "Islamic" as a government choice... which I find a little offensive, not because >I'M< a muslim, but because I'm an amateur historian. That's why I like Civ, after all!

[Sparkle]

Yahweh Sabaoth

I know what "muslim" means, people just see it differently, it´s the same as with the "gypsy genocide" in Central Europe... there´s no such thing as racism against gypsies, since this is about hostility to a social group of "urbanized" gypsies who abuse certain rule of social law system...

but ur right it´s offtopic :-)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sparkle
Yahweh Sabaoth

I know what "muslim" means, people just see it differently, it´s the same as with the "gypsy genocide" in Central Europe... there´s no such thing as racism against gypsies, since this is about hostility to a social group of "urbanized" gypsies who abuse certain rule of social law system...

but ur right it´s offtopic :-)

hi ,

ahem , can we keep this on topic please , ....

and there is rasicm against them (!)

have a nice day

[Ming]

Originally posted by Sparkle
but ur right it´s offtopic :-)

So let's stay ON TOPIC...

[Centauri18]

What's the fun in that?

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Centauri18
What's the fun in that?

I must agree. I love the ranting that does on around here.

But back on topic... Which Civs should be added after PTW? I notice from the poll that the Netherlands are very high up there... my question is... WHY? What is so notable about the Netherlands that it would justify adding YET ANOTHER European Civ?

[Centauri18]

Well, the Dutch did build New York...

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by Centauri18
Well, the Dutch did build New York...

Sure, they had an overseas empire, they contributed a bit culturally to the world, but overall, I'd much rather see a non-European civ represented. Maybe the Khmer?

[Panag]

hi ,

lets hope there is going to be a chat with firaxis in the near future , ......

its been ages , who knows we can then get something on new civilizations , ...

so there is at least place for seven more , ....

take a look at a map , civ's like the Khmer could get in


europe and amerika are getting full , , Australia has room , so does Africa and Asia , ....

so that is more then likely where we shall see new civ's

, the pacific ocean is a bit empty , ....

and last but not least we need a bigger map to put them all on (!)

have a nice day

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

What? Gotta differ with you there, Panag... America could use a LOT of new civs... hopefully latin american civs (they've all been mentioned, and the favorites seem to be Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina, although I think Columbia, Chile, and Cuba all deserve a shot)

I think the "five global civilizations" or whatever it's called should be reworked entirely. After all, the "Americans" have more in common with the Europeans than they do with the Aztecs or Iroquois... perhaps the Aborigones of Australia could be added and linked to the Zulu, along with the Songhai, Abysinnians... there are so many possibilities, but let's fill those continents!!!

And enough damn Europeans!!!