Which Civs should be added after PTW?

[Sparkle]

as for bosnia-hercegovina

Bosnia-hercegovina is not Slavonic. It´s Arabic (moslim).

[sabrewolf]

no, sorry, bosnians are slavic, it's just that a part of them (approx. 40%, >50% before the war) are muslims.
and definetly not arabic. if something, then ottoman (turks)...

not every muslim country is arab. in fact many aren't (iran, pakistan, afghanistan, indonesia, malaysia(?), philipines, some smaller caucasian republics, etc.)

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Yahweh Sabaoth
Hate to break the news to you, but Greece is overwhelmingly slavic. The slavic migration to Greece occurred in the mid 2nd millenium. As for the Baltic states, yes, I suppose those are mixed Slavic-Germanic. And as for Romania, I plead ignorance: I have always assumed as they are surrounded by Slavs that the Romanians are themselves slavic.

But as for the "Greeks" the ancient Greeks that are depicted in Civ have gone the way of... well... the ancient Romans! I.e., they have assimilated utterly. Thus, while Greece is distinct from Russia, it has perhaps more in common with Russia ETHNICALLY than it does with Italy... which was certainly not the case in the ancient world.

ok, sorry, my fault... maybe...
to me, the greeks are an own civ, because they've had thousands of years of own culture. i don't call the arabs israelis, only because they are both semitic.

[sabrewolf]

in fact, check this out, bosnians are clearly slavic:

[sabrewolf]

and this image:

proves that greeks aren't slavic, except if you call encyclopaedia britannica?

[sabrewolf]

oh, and one more:

--> greek are hellenic

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Hey, well, there you go!

I didn't lump Bosnians in with the rest of the slavs, because they're Islamic...

...in other words, I was subscribing to the weird viewpoint of the West that treats muslims as an ethnic group!

So, that was stupid of me. I read too many geopolicy statements I guess. The Bosnians are, indeed, slavic.

And I agree that the greeks "of history" are distinct enough to warrant their own civ.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
oh, and one more:

--> greek are hellenic

Whoa, I stand corrected.

That's quite a cool map!

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Hey, now, waitaminute! How are the French and Spanish "Italic"? And what's with "Iranian"? Iran is a relatively new concept in a land thousands of years old, with many, many overlapping ethnicities, including persian, turkic, arabic, etc. And how about "Albanian"?

Still, it's a cool map. It gets "Germanic" and "Celtic" mostly right.

[sabrewolf]

that was the map for indo-europeans

here's a world map for the non-indo-europeans:


actually, these maps are showing todays languages. usually languages go hand in hand with ethnicity.

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

That is goddamn awesome.

I recommend everyone on this site who ever profers a racist argument or statement again - and there are plenty, as I'm sure you noticed - be redirected right here.

Good job Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Yahweh Sabaoth
Hey, now, waitaminute! How are the French and Spanish "Italic"? And what's with "Iranian"? Iran is a relatively new concept in a land thousands of years old, with many, many overlapping ethnicities, including persian, turkic, arabic, etc. And how about "Albanian"?

Still, it's a cool map. It gets "Germanic" and "Celtic" mostly right.

we cross-posted

italic languages could also be called romanic.
iranian is persian

[Yahweh Sabaoth]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
italic languages could also be called romanic.
iranian is persian

Ah, yes, the Romance languages. Back to school for me.

All I want to know is, what relation does Iranian/Persian have to pre-turkic Persia? i.e., the Persia of antiquity?

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Yahweh Sabaoth
That is goddamn awesome.

I recommend everyone on this site who ever profers a racist argument or statement again - and there are plenty, as I'm sure you noticed - be redirected right here.

Good job Sabrewolf.

thanks... but actually i stole these image-links from another thread that died a few months ago. "dervish" (not active since july 2002) found all these things...

[Sparkle]

sabrewolf

Well, I don´t think there are many slavic Bosnians left after the Bosnian war :-(

And to the maps you provided us with: are these maps of slavonic NATIONS or LANGUAGES? Because I think that these maps you showed us are not of the nations but of the languages because a serbo-croatian nation is not, serbo-croatian language is...