Ethnic Trees

[JohnM2433]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
i'm sure, that foreign nationals are NOT faster then your own, even if they are industrialists and you aren't.

railroads nearby don't have any effect.
speed depends of:
- discovery of replacable parts doubles speed too.

Oh. I guess they just didn't want industrial civs to benefit disproportianately from the capture (or purchase) of foreign workers. Well, that actually seems fair, and reasonable too, since industrious workers might become less so if no longer serving their own nation.

So I withdraw my objection. I will only add that one might wish to note that an industrial civ's workers are more valuable to that civ than foreign workers, even if they are never added to a city's population. This is not true of other civs. This might prove to be an important consideration under some circumstances. Then again, maybe not.

I had forgotten that replacable parts double worker speed, even though I do think I remember reading that before. Thanks for reminding me! That's one of those little details you don't want to forget -- it could be a big incentive to research replacable parts before other techs, especially if you have lots of workers.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by JohnM2433
I had forgotten that replacable parts double worker speed, even though I do think I remember reading that before. Thanks for reminding me! That's one of those little details you don't want to forget -- it could be a big incentive to research replacable parts before other techs, especially if you have lots of workers.

interesting, how could you forget that

the beginning of the industrial era is to me the time, where i build massive armies of workers and improve my realm.
i usually research as following:
1) steam power (then build railroads)
2) electricity (irrigate squares without access to fresh water)
3) replacable parts (double worker efficiency)
4) sanitation (hospitals allow growth beyond size 12)
5) then all those techs with no new improvement/wonder/unit (corporation, refining, atomic theory) ... in this phase research is up on max. and i use these techs (expensive ones) to definetly take the sole lead in the tech race... if i made it this far, i usually win (and mostly don't finish the game)

[dervish]

I still think that Ethnic Trees should be incorporated into the Game as well as Goverment Trees. To show real evolution.

PS. I was looking for this thread long time.

[joncnunn]

On coutries giving automony but not total indepedance to a minority:

Actually, in one case fairly recently, a country did split in two independant countries peacefully. (Czeckoslovokia splitting into Czech and Slovokia.) I'm not sure which of these groups was the minority, but Czech was the more industralized section.

In addition, if Quebec had voted to leave the rest of Canada the last time they had a vote on the issue, the rest of Canada would have let Quebec go peacefully.

Similarly, the US wouldn't stop Puerto Rico from leaving the US if a majority of the population there wanted to. Conversely, the US wouldn't object if a majority of the population of Puerto Rico wanted to become the 51st state. What many members of our US Congress is getting tired of is the current Common Wealth status where they are US Citizens, but don't pay US income tax, can vote in the Republican and Democratic primaries for President, but not in the general election, can send 1 delegate to the US Congress that can vote in commitees, but not on the House Floor.

[kring]

Welcome back, dervish; long time since I have seen you around.

[Centauri18]

Maybe France ought to have sold Quebec to America before the English took it over along with the rest of Canada. Sort of like Napoleon sold Louisiana to fund his wars.

[Centauri18]

What i mean to say is, maybe they could have done that.

[joncnunn]

France's sell of Louisana was also related to the successful revolt against the French on their third of the island of Hispanola.

[Az]

great thread darvish. I was calling for the establishment of ethno-lingo-cultural trees for a long time.

But this calls for a real change, A VERY BIG change.

you should start with a small tribe. A REALLY SMALL TRIBE. and you should work your way through thousands of other tribes, assimilating them, killing them off, establishing new national identities. and it would work that the assimilation would work both ways. by assimilating another people, you change your nation/tribe/people as well, say, sliders of agression/industriousness move.

But to do that we'll have to change the premise of the game. No longer do we start with a fledgeling kingdom at 4000 BC, but we start at say... 10,000BC, and we let time tick more slowly at ancient times. Another thing that would have to change is the scale of the map. we'll need MUCH bigger maps.

I Can't wait for the time such ideas would be implemented in a civ game.

[HAND]

Alot of english people are in fact Celtic...Look at Henry the 8th and Elizabeth the 1st. They both had the Celtic facet of a fine crop of red hair(along with a fierce temper). Probably the majority of the english have some Celtic ancestery.
Few people have blond hair and blue eyes for an "Anglo-saxon" country..most have brown hair.

[Az]

my point exactly, HAND.

there are plenty of such examples. like :

the french: they take their names from a germanic tribe "franks".
yet, they speak a latin language, and have lots of celtic ( gauls) and other "blood" in them.

[joncnunn]

In many parts of the US, basically anybody whose ancestors were in the US 3 generators or more back will find some relationship to American Indians if they throughly check those branches of their family tree.
(Being accepted to the tribe rolls is another matter entirely though, because they only count via along the pure Mother line.) This is one of the sources of exelent tans in Tennessee and also those with black hair in Oklahoma.

[sabrewolf]

really? i didn't know that. i thought native americans were more ethnicly cleansed or in better cases "just" isolated. didn't know there was a mix.

but speaking about that: my girlfriend (a yankistani) said recently, that it's strange you call blacks african american, because most of the coloured people in fact are more american than the white. most white just came in the last 100 years and only 2nd and 3rd generations were completely integrated.

[joncnunn]

The Cherokee in the 1820s and 1830s were "so civilized" that they started buying slaves. They treated their slaves better than most whites did.

Most of those living in the tribes in the 1830s were relocated to Oklahoma, but some had successfuly hiden, and both prior to afterwords there was intermingling between the Cherokee & Euopeans both ways.

There were several isolated accounts of Europeans west of the Mississippi joining Indian tribes in the 1870s & 1880s.

Well, your correct about there being substantal mixing between white & black especally in the South, but slaves didn't really have much of a choice in the matter.

[Centauri18]

I didn't know the Cherokee owned slaves. I knew a lot of that other stuff, but I never knew those tribes owned slaves.