Stop the America-bashing!

[siredgar]

Re: Re: Stop the America-bashing!

I my oppion you are the one, being arrogant. America no way desrves to be put in civ 3
It is a colony not even 300 years old that is nothing.
1,500 years is long enough but 300 is not.

there were people in the UK more than 1,500 yeras ago and there were people in america 300 years ago but the wern't americans they were iroquis honestly because the country wasn't formed is no excuse
AND 300 YEARS IS NO WERE NEAR ENOUGH
YOU NEED OVER A THOUSAND
While your at it why dont we ad australia or NZ lets have fiji
Your comments are greeeat
Come on just because your from america and you beleave your countries better than everyones does not mean it should be there in civ 3 you should be classed as britan.

Ps dont care about speeling

That's not a surprising statement considering it's coming from someone in New Zealand. You'd all attach yourselves to the butt with Britain if you could. But being so far away, you'll have to call yourself "New Zealanders". We Americans feel differently. You're still in the Commonwealth, while we fought a war over 200 years ago to kick out the Brits. You'd stick your lips to their asses if you were any closer.

[siredgar]

Originally posted by CRAZY
Now how much more ignorant and self absorbed can you get? It seems like nothing in the US, but people in this country are very upset. Its in all our newspapers but yet in the US it hardly is even mentioned! I have never in my life heard regularly canadians talk the way the do now about the US. I hear everyday people talking about how much they hate the US and the government and how ignorant and self absorbed the people there are. Its getting very serious over here.

Here of all places!!! This is Canada, the US could do almost anything before people get upset, except what you have done. We are the closest allies of the US and even here people are really starting not to like the US.

This should be a sign guys. I am not exagerating either, this has gotten out of hand, US ignorance has no boundries even people on my busride home every night for the last week have had something to say!

Well, if the Canadians are starting to hate us, then we are really in trouble. We send up all our polluted air up there and call them dumb morons all the time, but they still didn't complain about us. Hey, sorry about the bombing.

[siredgar]

Re: Re: europe

Originally posted by Eddin
He who claims America is rotten is not dumb, but he who claims that Europe isn't IS dumb, we are nearly as rotten as you are, if not more so for the fact that we are your lackeys, and do not stand up for ourself.

Europeans aren't our lackeys. We have the Brits for that.

Anyhow, the French get pretty arrogant and try to talk back to us once in a while. It can be humbling. If you're actually listening...

[Arrian]

Nice trolling.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Spiffor
For example : the trash-plasticbags in Germany are horrible, and you pay fines if you have tto much non-recyclable garbage for your household. But I sure hope most of these materials are recycled.

That's untrue. You pay fines not for too many non-recyclable trash, but if you put non-recyclable trash in the "yellow" bags for recycling. Some smartasses try this, because they are disposed without fee. And by the way, nobody uses the bags as they are, we put them in trashcans and fill the cans, so why do you call them horrible?

[CRAZY]

America and Europe are 2 different nations. (I am thinking EU here). Our goals in the world while parelell (we both want world peace), we are trying to get there by different methods.

Yes you both want world peace!! The US's way of achieving this is to out spend the next 4 closest countries in military spending combined. (The US spends in the 400 million dollar range, Russia is at 68 million) The US wants to achieve world peace by eliminating any government who does not want to play within the rules that the US deems "right". The US wants to attain world peace by opressing citizens in less developed countries. The US wants to come to world peace by initating globalization that favors no one but the large US corporations. The US feels that by owning the world they will be able to attain world peace!!

Who are you kidding? The US is all about corporatoins and the almighty economy. Like never before in the history of man has the economy taken the place of humanity. Now instead of a means to a great life the US considers it and end! The US will try to tell everyone that globalization benifits everyone, wrong! Facts show otherwise! The overall real incomes of people around the world in the last 10 years has droped by more then 5%, and over half of the worlds population live on under 2$ US a day.

yet the US's solution to world peace is globalization and astronomical military spending. What the brainwashed american public does not realize is the truth. Thier leaders are not in the interest of the people but the economy. To make themselves richer! Wealth is not being spread to those who need it but those who already have it! Dare you say otherwise?

[Dauphin]

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Originally posted by siredgar


Europeans aren't our lackeys. We have the Brits for that.

Anyhow, the French get pretty arrogant and try to talk back to us once in a while. It can be humbling. If you're actually listening...

I see America and Britain more like Asterix (Britain) and Obelix (USA) when in partnership.

[CRAZY]

In case you were wondering how the US works and wonder why People around the world are starting to not like the US. Here is a peak!! Remember that the US wants world Peace!!the link isat the very bottom if you would like ot read it yourself!!________________________________________ ____________

This Sunday, April 21, the United States will seek to remove Jose Bustani, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), from his post. Bustani's crime is essentially that he was too good at his
job. Under his lead, according to the Guardian article [linked to] below, "His inspectors have overseen the destruction of 2 million chemical weapons and two-thirds of the world's
chemical weapon facilities. He has so successfully cajoled reluctant nations that the number of signatories to the convention has risen from 87 to 145 in the past five years: the fastest growth rate of any multilateral body in recent
times."

But in the eyes of the US State Department, Bustani has been a nuisance. First, he's attempted to treat the US like any other signatory to the body, and the US, not unlike its
enemy Iraq, is unsatisfied with the inspectors he's chosen. Second, he's actively working with Iraq to encourage it to accept inspectors, which would undercut support for a second US-led Gulf War. For these reasons, the State Department
wants him deposed.

In a meeting this Sunday, the US will propose a vote of no confidence in Bustani, even though it hasn't specified the exact nature of his failings.
__________________________________________________ __[URL=http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4394862,00.html]

[CRAZY]

Also just another tidbit of info. honestly who do you think these politicians are looking out for?

If you averaged the net worths of President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and the 13 top Cabinet officials, what would that figure be?

Answer----$9.9 million - $28.9 million

They care about thier own pockets. They don't care about the environment or world peace. Give it a rest!

[Arrian]

Crazy... I think you need to take a deeeeeep breath. Now exhale slowly. That's it. Feel better?

There is, of course, some truth to your ranting and raving, but you're exaggerating as usual. I read that Guardian article, by the way, and it may well be an accurate description of the situation, but it also may not be - keep in mind that the Guardian is a VERY left wing paper, with clear anti-US bias in its articles (I read it a lot to get another perspective on things... and I cannot recall 1 article that mentioned the US without bashing it somehow).

siredgar achieved what was obviously his goal - he incited an emotional response by posting a bunch of crap.

-Arrian

[CRAZY]

nah no deep breath needed! I am okay!! lol the guardian is just one article, one paper. Outside of the US and a little in britian you will find it hard to find any pro US Papers.

How bout chapter 11 of NAFTA? Canada tried to change it and the US got in a big huff! They like the sweeping powers that chp11 affords corporations.

An example of the extent.. and don't kid yourself this is not the only case I can start showing you case by case if you would like.. anyhow..

There is a company that produces a chemical for ethanol gas. It has been banned in 10 states. California bannes it as they have found that it has polluted thier drinking water. Infact almost half of California drinking water wells were infected with tihs chemical. either way they ban the product and order it be phased out by 2002. The company slaps a 1.3 billion dollar lawsuit on the US. A similar lawsuit happened here in canada when our government tried to ban an additive in Ethanol gasoline, the american company sued us! It has happened in Mexico when they blocked the rezoning of a toxic waste dump. They got sued. I might add that in everyone of these cases the coroporations won the court case because of ch11 in Nafta. Yet bush who is so great for the environment and is greatly concerned for the saftey of the american public and not his own pockets rebuffs any attempt to change this.

Why?

The US has had a chance like no other in history to do well for not just themselves but the world and they have failed and continue to do so. Bush is using nothing but strong arm tactics to achieve his own political succuss at the cost of everyone else. yet you fools support great ole USA!! USA supports world peace but whenever a weak administration comes to power in the US they go to war! It just so happens that at the time of thier presidency that some terrible thing occours. Don't kid yourself , if it wasn't for 9/11 bush would have found another reason to go to war.

Please again prove me wrong. I use facts I am not just sprouting crap. Prove why the US should not be bashed!!

[Arrian]

Crazy,

I'm all for criticism, and my government deserves quite a bit of it, on a number of issues. You bring up good points with respect to the US government's protection of US corporations, and I happen to agree in general (I'm really not familiar with Ch. 11 of Nafta) that our government is too big-business oriented.

The problem I have with "bashing," in terms of what I see here at 'poly (some from you, some from others), is that many times people use a bad policy/decision by our government as justification for the maligning of America as a whole.

To prove (explain, rather) why the US should not be bashed: no country should be bashed (except in jest, when it's clearly in jest). Bash a particular leader or party or policy... but to bash the whole country isn't right, IMO.

By the way, Crazy, I think you may have extremely high expectations for the US, which the US can never meet. Bear in mind that each country's government (in a democracy, anyway) is supposed to protect its citizens and their interests. Therefore, support for US companies by the US government isn't necessary some sinister plot by some rich guys to get richer.

You do know there is a spelling error in your sig, right?

-Arrian

[Spiffor]

Sir Ralph :
In what Land do you live. Where I was (Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart to be precise), I had to struggle with my plastic-bags. They were horrible, leaked, were difficult to close : had to make a knot with the plastic itself, instead of having a thin ribbon to let me close the bag). These bags were so horrible, I decided to import mines from France, where you can use your trash-plasticbags without having to bathe after (like in any other country I visited).

Sagacious Dolphin :
I don't think the US and Britain are like Asterix and Obelix, because Asterix decides and Obelix follows. From my arrogant French point of view, the UK follows blindly what Washington decides, esp. since Blair is in charge. Not that all the Brits agree. But the Brits followed by bombing Irak since 98 as well, by joyfully bombing Kosovo, by bombing Afghanistan. At the diplomatic level, I truly consider UK as the 51st State of the US, except it has no power in the American decision
(Ahhhhh, a bit of UK-bashing... This thread is much better now )

[CRAZY]

Haha so there is a spelling mistake!! makes me look real intelligent! lol

Bear in mind that each country's government (in a democracy, anyway) is supposed to protect its citizens and their interests.

Is protecting big bussiness instead of drinking water really in the interest of the public? Is outlandish military spending really for the public? Is opressing other countries and populations of people to the point of hating the US, that they form terrorist groups and bomb the world trade center in the best interest of the public?

I am not saying all the US government does is for themselves and friends but a large porition of it is. It has become that the economy is first and foremost with the US. Humanity takes a back seat when it comes to making money. Is this really in the interest of the mass general public or in the interest of those who make large donations to the parties of the president?

The tarrifs on steel was it really in the interest of the mass general public? I would say not!! IT was in the interest of getting votes. As with the softwood case. This makes building within the US much more expensive for everyone! But bush has shored up support for himself in some very important places!

Priorities are not straight with the Bush administration. It is bush that is the reason for this bashing. he like no other president before him is acting unilateraly in the favor of business and US interests.

You wonder why people from other countries bash you guys? it is because of your foreign policies both with humanity and business. The bush administration uses unfair business and political practices in order to achieve its political and business outcomes. It victimizes poorer countries and then spins it off as helping them, then acts innocent when the world shows outrage!

You see the circle? Then you wonder why people critize the US. no other country manipulates people like the US. Its a fact. Its opression as I have said in before but in a more sneaky and unfair way! US citizens don't feel most of it but the rest of the world does. But ignorance is bliss!

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Sir Ralph :
In what Land do you live. Where I was (Baden-Württemberg, Stuttgart to be precise), I had to struggle with my plastic-bags. They were horrible, leaked, were difficult to close : had to make a knot with the plastic itself, instead of having a thin ribbon to let me close the bag).

I live in Bavaria. Our yellow bags do have ribbons to close. As for the others, for "normal" trash: Just don't buy the cheapest.