Civ of the Week: Russians

[Buck Birdseed]

Re: Re: Re: SCIENTIFIC?!

Originally posted by Felch X
Alfred Nobel is generally accepted as the inventor of TNT. Although the Russians may have been the first to apply it, that's hardly what most people would consider to be most important.

Othert way around. TNT invented by russians, made into a viable product (dynamite) that wasn't liable to spontaneous combustion by Nobel, through the addition of a ceramic clay.

[Boris Godunov]

Who said Russia invented Rocketry??!!!

Are we forgeting ol' Werner von Braun? It was the Germans who made the first significant utilization of it, sending the V2s over to London. After the war, the USA and USSR plundered Germany's rocket scientists to abbrogate their rocketry programs.

As for the leaders, Stalin cannot even be said to be "great" by the standard his defender mentioned, as ultimately it was his reign and policies that destroyed the USSR.

IMO, Peter the Great was the most influential Russian ruler who dragged his country west of the Volga and laid the groundwork for future superpower status.

As for Catherine...she did not die having sex with a horse. How did this myth get started?

Cheers.

[DonJoel]

The F-15 Several kills against the Mig 29.
Mig 29 against F-14/15/16/18 =000
MIAI & M60A3s vs. T-62/72/80s in Gulf war, No American tank was killed by enemy Tank. Oh well.

???
Well how strange. Iraq was (and is) a poor nation with some old export type mig-29 with no support (radar support was taking out almost immediately) and bad pilots.
The coalition was the most advanced countries on earth with tons of resources and military equipment.

Its was as even as a chicken fighting a velociraptor.

Considering the tanks. The iraqi tanks were of a budget export variant (lesser armor and other stuff) with poorly trained crews and no support.

Saying that those wo got the best tank will win, I got news for you.
The best army wins. The type of the tank is only a little bit when deciding who will win.

There is no T-98. I have no idea where you pulled this one from.

Well there is a T-98 (Type 98).
Its not a Russian tank but a Chinese.
I dont know if it can beat the Leopard 2 or the M1A2 though.

Considering the m-16 its widely known that it iant such a great rifle. I heard somebody who had used it said it was sloppy.

[datakodin]

Re: God bless America!

Originally posted by redfox74
I suggest to Fireaxis...

Keep it easy, Krasnaya Lisa-74 Civ is just a game, not real world.

Ne chitai vsyakuju gadost' na noch' glyadya - i vse budet v poryadke.

[Dauphin]

Just a few facts......

Originally posted by Felch X
Radio is attributed to Marconi. I'm not so sure if he's Russian.

The Hydrogen bomb was first tested by the United States. the Soviets were about nine months later.

Marconi was an Italian who lived in England and probably a few other places.

The first Soviet atom-bomb was detonated in 1949, not sure when they got H-bombs, but the largest nuclear device ever detonated (Tsar Bomba) was by the Soviets in 1961. It "weighed in" at 50 Mtonnes. The largest US detonation was 25Mtonnes.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I dont want no saggy assed queen for russias rulers

That 'saggy assed queen' presided over the largest expansion of ANY of Russia's rulers. Good choice, IMO.

And Scientific definetly describes Russia, especially in the 20th Century.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by joer
However, the Civ3 cavalry (6-3-3) isn't as tough as the Civ2 cavalry (8-3-2),...

To think so would be a dreadful mistake.

The third MP will prove to have an enormous value, and the attack is about equal, taking into consideration that all units have been toned down so far.

If anything, Cossacks/Cavalry will be too strong. I have conquered the world on Emperor with nothing but Crusaders, and Cossacks/Cavalry are Super Crusaders.

[JT3]

Yes, there is a Chinese Type 98, but we were talking Russian tanks. Anyway, the Type 98 could probably put up a pretty good fight against the M1A2 or Leopard 2, but ultimately I think it's still a bit worse.

[Red Khan]

Well, it may be irrelevant to the subject but still...
When I was an exchange student in the US one thing really amazed me. In US history class the teacher was talking about Edisson and his inventions. He said that Edisson invented light bulb, grammophone and cinema. The last one really shocked me. Errr.. wasn't it invented by some Fench brothers. What a coinsedence, a French exchange student was sitting next to me. So I asked him about it. He, boiling with anger replied that yes, it was ....... (sorry, forgot the name ) brothers that did it. So, I asked the teacher wasn't it those French who invented cinema. After a pause he replied, "Well, yes, but Edisson was the first American who invented cinema"

In one Russian air magazine, I read memories of a Soviet pilot who fought Americans during Korean War. He stated that at the end of the war they shooted down about 200 American fighter jets(sorry, forget the name of the plane), not counting the old WWII Mustangs, while loosing only 4 planes. Note: I read it in about 1994, when the Cold War was over, so I don't think it was patriotic propaganda.

Pust' burjui orut skol'ko hotyat, my ih vse ravno shapkami zakidaem.

[worker]

Science? Why we speak only about military science? MIG29 against F15, T80 against M1, S300 against Patriot? Not about philosophy? Mathematics? Chemistry? If take only last two centuries - Periodical Table, Geometry of Lobachevskiy and many philosophers. This is science. American people probable not trust me, but near 80%! mathematician in USA are russians. Popov invented Radio. Marconi take first patent on it after two month. Do you undestand difference? The same difference between nuclear and hydrogen bombs. American open nuclear age of mankinds, but hydrogen bomb was develop in USSR by academician Sakharov. And about rocketry. Ciolkovskiy in 20-s developed theory of space flight. He was first man who proved possibility of it by calculations. And I think all people in USA can answer : "Who is father of all american helicopters?"
To Red Khan - I read this paper in this year. You are absolutely right. After WWII russian and american planes met at first time in Korea. This was great success of soviet pilots. Correlation of losses 30 : 1. Amerca lost this war. After that they met again in Vietnam. I think all man remember result. In Vietnam soviet soldiers used S75 anti-aercraft system. This was shock for american pilots. This dispute is meaningless. Civ is only game. Greatest game. And Sid Meyer is american. This is most important discovery of american science.

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Snapcase
I don't know that many people who consider Stalin a "great ruler" (Megalomania does not equal greatness),

umm, define megalomania. building a hoover dam, empire state building, WTC or pyramides? if so, then his building of dnieprostroy qualifies as megalomaniac. i am not aware of any megalomaniac projects in the ussr (unless sputnik is considered as such).
the plans to divert siberian rivers into kazakhstan was put forward later...

as for peter - he built a whole city, capital actually, from the scratch. that ain't megalomaniac, i guess?

[Fidel]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Who said Russia invented Rocketry??!!!

ever heard of ciolkovsky?

[Red Khan]

worker
Well, actually it wasn't a newspaper, it was a magazine called "Krylya Rodiny" (Wings of Motherland) and article was called "Chinese pilot ?????" (Kitayskiy lyotchik ????) (sorry, I have really bad memory for names, but it was a Russian surname turned into Chinese in a funny way )
The reason for it is that because Soviets were not officially in the war, so the pilots were wearing Chinese uniform and planes carried Chinese markings.

[Dauphin]

Popov invented Radio

Was he team leader of the research group. I take it that Voltaire, Ampere, Faraday, Maxwell and Hertz were his subordinates.

[Ironwood]

Re: Re: Re: Re: SCIENTIFIC?!

Originally posted by Snapcase


Othert way around. TNT invented by russians, made into a viable product (dynamite) that wasn't liable to spontaneous combustion by Nobel, through the addition of a ceramic clay.

Exactly. The Russians found something that goes boom. Nobel was the one that actually took the time to figure out how to make it go boom when he wanted it to go boom.

My tendency would be to make russa Religeous Expansionist.