Civ of the Week: Russians

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by datakodin

joseph1944
Are you US military?

US Navy Feb. 1962 - March 26, 1965
I worked for the Dept of Navy, Mare Island Naval Shipyard Aug. 9, 1965 to Nov. 3, 1995

Seriously speaking, our pilots had many problems in Korea. Also Soviet pilots had many problems during WWII. In Vietnam, the situation was better for us - us, not US.

At the start of Nam things did not go real well, however in the end (1973) we came around to 10 to 1 Kill ratio.

Finally, in 1982 it was equal between Izraelis with US planes and Syrians with MiGs. Izraelis were leading until Syria used old MiG-21s. With new squadrons of MiG-23, Arabs retaliated. The final result was something like 42:46 I believe.

I will let one of our Isralies friends talk about was happen.

BTW how old are you? Can you imagine that it was time when Russians and Americains were allied? I am not sure it would be in futurt because there is too many blood between us - but it was.

Age 57-6 mos-18 days
If Russia stays Demo. and after most/all formal Communist are dead (from old age) I think the US and Russia can be very good friends. I knew some Russian that live in Calif. and they were good people. My High School Art Teacher was a distant Cousin of Czar Nick. he had to leave when he was around 3 or 4 years of age because his Grandfather got word to leave now or died (1919/20).

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by krzysiek


Cio³kowski Konstantin Edwardowicz (1857-1935), russian scientist, POLISH origins. Founder of scientific basis of asturonautics.

During the years 1896-1912 created theory of rocket movement (see his work: Issledowanije mirowych prostranstw reaktiwnymi priborami (1903)). It includes famous Ciolkowski equation.
His other inventions (including theoretical models):
sattelite, new type of rocket engine, spacesuit, spacestation...

My Encyclopedia did not list his name, so I can not look him up. If you have an address on line I will look at it.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by joseph1944
However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.

Now does this sound suspiciously like a threat?

However, if you are going to send emails with the names and adresses of everybody who opposes US hegemony to the CIA, you will down their server.

This could get you into serious trouble: Not quite understanding your good intention they might consider you some sort of undesirable.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Now does this sound suspiciously like a threat?

However, if you are going to send emails with the names and adresses of everybody who opposes US hegemony to the CIA, you will down their server.

This could get you into serious trouble: Not quite understanding your good intention they might consider you some sort of undesirable.

Hey If I know the boys in Washington, they are already looking at this site and many more to see what happening in the World.
Heard any click on your phone line lately?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by joseph1944

The problem is that the Soviet propaganda has most people in the formal Soviet Union believing they did everything by themself without any help from the rest of the world. .

Well...while this is true, the same is true here in the USA. American History textbooks present our story as if we invented civilization.

But, any culture will take credit for as much as they can. The problem is that science is cumulative. Nobody has ideas out of the blue, everything is built on what came before. So any argument about who invented what is fruitless unless you look at who developed the first practical uses. Cior-whateversky may have had early ideas for rocketry, but it was German scientists who first made the strongest practical advancements that eventually led to the space age. Hell, we could credit Jules Verne with inventing rocketry, if you like to use the logic in these posts.

As for the ludicrous assertions about American air casualties...

These numbers should be easy to find. But a Soviet-US kill ratio of 30:1 is absurd. 200 planes in one day??? Not a chance. If the USA had sustained that kind of casualties in one day, it would have been an absolute calamity that would have ended the war far sooner. I wouldn't trust the bragging of some Soviet pilot. Look for the statistics.

Cheers.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually Goddard is recognized as father of rocketry. He was the first to launch a rocket (as primitive as it was). The Germans (especially Von Braun) learned a great deal from him. When the American took Germany scientists after the war and asked them where they learned to make rockets, they said from your Goddard.

[datakodin]

Originally posted by joseph1944

At the start of Nam things did not go real well, however in the end (1973) we came around to 10 to 1 Kill ratio.

If Russia stays Demo. and after most/all formal Communist are dead (from old age) I think the US and Russia can be very good friends.

OK, joseph1944. I do not think it is a right forum to talk about Russian/US battles.

Just one point to be more clear. In Vietnam, you did not deal with us. Your counterparts were pilots from North Vietnam, certainly teached by Soviet instructors. You know the skill of Vietnam pilots was lower than skill of us.

Actually there is a list of direct air battles between Russian and US pilots. Your planes invaded too often in our country and we had to beat them. The results from this list are a little different from your stories about brave US boys who have killed everything and everybody. Can you imagine we were ready to down "Columbia" during its first flight? Our laser guns were ready and were waited for an order of government. Finally old donkeys from Politbureau were afraid and we have just followed chuttle with laser beam. As a result, your spacemen had actual head-ache whenever "Columbia" has passed above the Russian land.

Even now we kick your asses time to time. And sorry, we are going to do this in the future.

Regarding Ciolkowsky. I am not wondered your Encyclopedia does not have any mention about this man because it is most probably western Encyclopedia Try to come to Russian Federation somehow and visit great space ship museum in Kaluga city named after this person. It is better you will see by yourself his books and his ideas about rocketry.

One more. USA and USSR were allied when we were Communist country. WWII, do you remember? BTW I am not Commie but I do not feel well for USA. Do you know why? You are not fair to us.

Finally, nothing personal Me too, I know some Americains. Generally, you are good boys It is really pity we are enemies but it is real life

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Col Bigspear
Will the Mig be available as a normal unit?

Hopefully. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

It would be nice use it as AD in cities.
Okay, okay, perhaps it's still better to use it
at the battlefield (but not on the ground ).

Dan of Firaxis, could you confirm the Mig?

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by datakodin

I am not wondered your Encyclopedia does not have any mention about this man because it is most probably western Encyclopedia

Or more likely to be an American one.
Even British encyclopedias are better than those from US.

Try to come to Russian Federation somehow and visit great space ship museum in Kaluga city named after this person.

Not to mention the "Space Town" (I can't recall the real
Russian name) outside Moscow.

Do you know why? You are not fair to us.

Even if I'm not Russian, I must agree with datakodin
that US hasn't always treated Russian as a
civilized nation. But this is more like OT.

[Rasbelin]

Originally posted by Red Khan

CNN is a propaganda machine Stalin would dream of.

Nice one!

[krzysiek]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Actually Goddard is recognized as father of rocketry. He was the first to launch a rocket (as primitive as it was). The Germans (especially Von Braun) learned a great deal from him. When the American took Germany scientists after the war and asked them where they learned to make rockets, they said from your Goddard.

Goddard used Ciolkowski's extensive theoretical model for buliding and launching the rocket. We can say that Ciolkowski is a father and Goddard is a mother

See first paragraph here:

http://astro.kopernik.mielec.pl/biog/ciolkowski.html

Unfortunately the source is in Polish but I can't find any english source of information about Ciolkowski in the Internet.

[krzysiek]

Originally posted by joseph1944

My Encyclopedia did not list his name, so I can not look him up. If you have an address on line I will look at it.

I have a number of links in polish, for example Polish Encyclopedia (reliable source of information):

http://encyklopedia.pwn.pl/13434_1.html

I found only one english site using Google search, but I can't access it:

https://www.uranos.eu.org/biogr/ciolke.html

[Fidel]

Originally posted by joseph1944

LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.

Man, this deserves to be in my sig. I am really glad they sacked you from the Govt service

[redfox74]

http://russianscientists.com/history/

small selection of scientists, not the complete list

Tsiolkovski and Popov are there. But also Kalashnikov and something about vodka

[Rasbelin]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SCIENTIFIC?!

Originally posted by Ironwood

My tendency would be to make russa Religeous Expansionist.

Religeous? Hmm... sounds a bit weird to me.
If you're point is that by making the Russians
"religeous", we can bring the vodka aspect into
Civ III.