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Jdd,
Thanks for the compliments (I guess if you only start threads once every 6 months on average, they'd better be good
) and for volunteering to try and do at least some research on the Jewish. If you (or anyone else for that matter) can't or don't feel like doing 'an entire civ', just collecting a bunch of high-quality URLs or doing a 'partial civ' or a rough draft could be very helpful as well...
Jay Bee (and Wernazuma),
Well, in this area I'm only a layman relying on websources but Charles *was* from Ghent and known as such in his early years (when he came into the picture as candidate for the position of King of Spain), he *was* - like virtually every member of the European royalty - a member of the Habsburg family and he *was* elected Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Leo X (and thus Spain became part of the Empire for a while). To the best of my knowlegde these are all historic facts (didn't even have to look those things up, he was an important figure in Dutch history as well so I learned all about him in high school). I agree though that King Charles I (isn't it Carlos I in Spanish?) would be a more appropriate name for the Spanish context. (A useful source on him is the Catholic Encyclopedia. The above facts are all mentioned in the first few paragraphs.)
Well, quite frankly I don't know you all that well so I thought I'd keep it as general as possible 
Says something about how much I know about Spanish history 
Well, I guess my source on that Christian kingdoms bit was way off then, I'll definitely need to double check that with some other sites (but I'll take your word for it that your description is accurate)...
I wondered about Portugal but couldn't really find anything about it (didn't look too hard though, only need info on them later), thanks for pointing that out.
I speak some basic Spanish (only slightly more than the average Northern European tourist) but I think if you start to throw all kinds of academic articles at me, I won't be able to make much sense of it. Better restrict yourself to English links...
True, except for Portugal there were never actually any secessions within Iberia but I read of many instances of 'nations' trying or at least seriously considering it (Andalusia, Catalonia, Basque Provinces, IIRC even Galicia at one point), which is what I was referring to. Or is this incorrect or overrated?
I guess I meant Galleon when I wrote Galley but Tercios would indeed be nice to add as UU.
You're saying there are people in the world that don't know Spain is the 'empire where the sun never sets'?
Man, those can't be Dutch posters, they've been cramming that into our heads pretty much since kindergarten over here...
As far as Latin America goes: how about Brazil? AFAIK it has always been Portuguese (could be wrong though)...
Well, since Barcelona is apparently disputed (didn't know that, sites with general info on Spanish cities are rare, only found one and it specifically said it was Iberian), I guess I'll just say it's an ancient Spanish city... Cartagena, well, what can I say? I guess since I mentioned Carthaginians and Phoenicians seperately earlier on, I should fix that... I'll take your word on Sagunto even though I read on numerous sites that it was Greek (perhaps it was Iberian in originin but Greeks started living there later on?). Veracruz I knew, it was a typo (I hope!) in my atlas and I wasn't paying attention...
On a lighter note: Ribannah can drop dead - j/k
Thanks a ton for all the info, tomorrow (getting a little late over here) I'll update the description to reflect my new insights...
Gangerolf,
On the Maritime CSA, I took the liberty of assuming that Firaxis *might* add new abilities, so as an 'alternative' I added Maritime. As far as I'm concerned this kind of possible new abilities should not be used as a 'primary' ability though.
Master Marcus,
That's the whole idea! Together it's gonna be one big Chrismas? (wildly speculating here) present from Apolyton for Firaxis
Ribannah,
I guess I could casually drop in the time-frame in which the Spanish lost their colonies and mention Marco Polo in relation to Qublai. I think the Basque independence movement is already (indirectly) mentioned when I talk about how weak the Spanish confederacy has always been and I already mentioned Spanish art (indirectly) as part of their cultural heritage that everyone imitated. The mention of slave trade seems rather unimportant to me as the idea is to tress why a civ was great (and slavery is not exactly a great achievement) and because until the 19th century slavery was absolutely normal and everyone did it (yes, I know all about the cruelties). I'll think about the Armada and Mongol and Spanish science (what *are* the scientific accomplishments of the Spanish?). Important to remember is that this is only a introductionary summary, for both civs I had to leave a lot of stuff out that would have been very suitable to include (heck, I could write a whole book about the Mongols!) but I was originally aiming for 600 word summaries (like the CotW feature) and I was already at 1000 words for the Spanish and 1200 for the Mongols, I had to stop somewhere...
Thanks for the compliments (I guess if you only start threads once every 6 months on average, they'd better be good
) and for volunteering to try and do at least some research on the Jewish. If you (or anyone else for that matter) can't or don't feel like doing 'an entire civ', just collecting a bunch of high-quality URLs or doing a 'partial civ' or a rough draft could be very helpful as well...Jay Bee (and Wernazuma),
Well, in this area I'm only a layman relying on websources but Charles *was* from Ghent and known as such in his early years (when he came into the picture as candidate for the position of King of Spain), he *was* - like virtually every member of the European royalty - a member of the Habsburg family and he *was* elected Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Leo X (and thus Spain became part of the Empire for a while). To the best of my knowlegde these are all historic facts (didn't even have to look those things up, he was an important figure in Dutch history as well so I learned all about him in high school). I agree though that King Charles I (isn't it Carlos I in Spanish?) would be a more appropriate name for the Spanish context. (A useful source on him is the Catholic Encyclopedia. The above facts are all mentioned in the first few paragraphs.)
It's a bit more than that
Aragon, not Aragorn
Says something about how much I know about Spanish history
I assumed you were referring to the so-called Catalano-Aragonese confederation (a XIX c. term actually), but its capital was Zaragoza, not Barcelona. The latter was the most important city of the Kingdom for many years, that's true. Valencia and The Balearic Islands (And Sicily and even Athens) were united to the "confederated kingdom" much later.
I wondered about Portugal but couldn't really find anything about it (didn't look too hard though, only need info on them later), thanks for pointing that out.
I speak some basic Spanish (only slightly more than the average Northern European tourist
) but I think if you start to throw all kinds of academic articles at me, I won't be able to make much sense of it. Better restrict yourself to English links...True, except for Portugal there were never actually any secessions within Iberia but I read of many instances of 'nations' trying or at least seriously considering it (Andalusia, Catalonia, Basque Provinces, IIRC even Galicia at one point), which is what I was referring to. Or is this incorrect or overrated?
I guess I meant Galleon when I wrote Galley
but Tercios would indeed be nice to add as UU.You're saying there are people in the world that don't know Spain is the 'empire where the sun never sets'?
Man, those can't be Dutch posters, they've been cramming that into our heads pretty much since kindergarten over here...As far as Latin America goes: how about Brazil? AFAIK it has always been Portuguese (could be wrong though)...
Well, since Barcelona is apparently disputed (didn't know that, sites with general info on Spanish cities are rare, only found one and it specifically said it was Iberian), I guess I'll just say it's an ancient Spanish city... Cartagena, well, what can I say? I guess since I mentioned Carthaginians and Phoenicians seperately earlier on, I should fix that... I'll take your word on Sagunto even though I read on numerous sites that it was Greek (perhaps it was Iberian in originin but Greeks started living there later on?). Veracruz I knew, it was a typo (I hope!) in my atlas and I wasn't paying attention...
On a lighter note: Ribannah can drop dead - j/k
Thanks a ton for all the info, tomorrow (getting a little late over here) I'll update the description to reflect my new insights...
Gangerolf,
On the Maritime CSA, I took the liberty of assuming that Firaxis *might* add new abilities, so as an 'alternative' I added Maritime. As far as I'm concerned this kind of possible new abilities should not be used as a 'primary' ability though.
Master Marcus,
Hope this can be somehow be sent to Firaxis too ( like the expansion civs )
Ribannah,
I guess I could casually drop in the time-frame in which the Spanish lost their colonies and mention Marco Polo in relation to Qublai. I think the Basque independence movement is already (indirectly) mentioned when I talk about how weak the Spanish confederacy has always been and I already mentioned Spanish art (indirectly) as part of their cultural heritage that everyone imitated. The mention of slave trade seems rather unimportant to me as the idea is to tress why a civ was great (and slavery is not exactly a great achievement) and because until the 19th century slavery was absolutely normal and everyone did it (yes, I know all about the cruelties). I'll think about the Armada and Mongol and Spanish science (what *are* the scientific accomplishments of the Spanish?). Important to remember is that this is only a introductionary summary, for both civs I had to leave a lot of stuff out that would have been very suitable to include (heck, I could write a whole book about the Mongols!) but I was originally aiming for 600 word summaries (like the CotW feature) and I was already at 1000 words for the Spanish and 1200 for the Mongols, I had to stop somewhere...
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