The Iroquois Debate: Lets clean up the mess we've created.

[orange]

Boris - I'm not familiar with the Iroquois Salamanca...is it in upstate NY? Out near Buffalo?

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by orange
monkspider and Ribannah - then why don't we see the Aboriginies in the game? That would certainly add to cultural diversity, and it would also put a civ in Australia.

Cuz they would be way too powerful with their unique unit, the Dreamweaver.
But I'm thinking that by the time the game finally hits Australia, there should already be so many expansion packs around that both the Aborigines and the Australians (UU: Tasmanian Devil ) can all be played.

Salamanca is indeed south of Buffalo.

[orange]

Originally posted by Ribannah


Cuz they would be way too powerful with their unique unit, the Dreamweaver.
But I'm thinking that by the time the game finally hits Australia, there should already be so many expansion packs around that both the Aborigines and the Australians (UU: Tasmanian Devil ) can all be played.

Salamanca is indeed south of Buffalo.

Rib - I can say with some confidence that no one on this message board finds you funny.

If you have nothing of substance to say in a debate thread, don't say anything. It only makes you look weak because you can't even rebut a simple point that is made, especially on a topic that you're supposedly pretty knowledgeable about.

On a kinder note: Thanks for the info about Salamanca.

[Boris Godunov]

Boris - I'm not familiar with the Iroquois Salamanca...is it in upstate NY? Out near Buffalo?

Salamanca is about 100 miles due south of Buffalo, and is perhaps one of most beautiful parts of the Eastern seaboard.

A lot of people don't realize that "Upstate New York" refers to any part of New York that isn't New York City or Long Island. So even though Salamanca is near the southern state border with PA, it is considered upstate.

Cheers.

PS--Newark, eh? My parents live in Salisbury, Maryland. So I'm also an Eastern Shore boy (but am originally from Tennessee, actually)

[orange]

I understand what Upstate NY means. I had a vague idea that it was out in the western part of the state, which is why I asked Upstate NY and Near Buffalo.

Newark is where I go to Uni. I'm originally from South Eastern PA.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by orange
I understand what Upstate NY means.

Yeah, but I doubt most people from other lands do, was clarifying for them.

[Ribannah]

Sorry Orange, I didn't think your question was serious!

The Aboriginals aren't in the game because Firaxis thought they had not enough to offer.
But maybe you intended to ask why I didn't make propaganda for them. The reason is simple: AFAIK they didn't advance human civilization as much as others. But I'm not very 'knowledgeable' with regard to the Aboriginals so maybe I am wrong.
In Locutus' thread I gave points to the Australians to be in the next 16.

[orange]

Originally posted by Ribannah
The reason is simple: AFAIK they didn't advance human civilization as much as others.

Neither did the Iroquois as compared to any number of Civs that weren't included! Don't you get it??

[Ribannah]

Orange, I understand you perfectly, I just don't agree with you about the Iroquois. I thought I had made that reasonably clear already, but in case you need a friendly reminder:

LOVE HIAWATHA!! LOVE HIAWATHA!!

[orange]

Originally posted by Ribannah
Orange, I understand you perfectly, I just don't agree with you about the Iroquois. I thought I had made that reasonably clear already, but in case you need a friendly reminder:

LOVE HIAWATHA!! LOVE HIAWATHA!!

You're making it clear that your opinion is that they should be included in the game. I am trying to figure out why you hold such an opinion.

Someone raises a point, you throw bull **** answers back in our faces. We make analogies that are supposed to make you think, and you dismiss them with...

LOVE HIAWATHA!! LOVE HIAWATHA!!

Now, make a point, or drop the case. It's ok to simply state "I think the Iroquois will bring diversity to the game" and end it there, but you've been trying to argue for why they deserve to be included. So if that's the case, argue. Don't give me bull ****. I don't have time for it and neither does anyone else here.

[monkspider]

Orange-
I find, for various reasons, the Native American civilization is as worthy of being in the top 16 as any. Your example regarding the Aborogine takes our arguements for the cultural diversity of the Native Americans a bit too far. While Native Americans are certainly more in for their cultural uniqueness more than anything (IMHO), they did make some contributions to things such as farming, government, art, and so forth. Certainly much more so than the Aborigines, while at the same time offering the same cultural diversity. Also, the Iroqouis are representing a much larger group than the aborigines. From the Nomadic Great Plains, to the unique housing styles employed by Native Americans of the Southwest, to the relatively advanced forms of self-government and farming that the Northeastern Native Americans offered. This is a very large group of people. I can respect your opinion on the Spanish and so forth being more deserving, it is a matter of taste. But the Native American peoples are as deserving of representation in the game as any, and given the relative similarities between the Spanish and other European groups, as well as the Arabs living on through the Babylonians, Persians and Egyptians, it is my honest opinion that Firaxis made the best choice.

Afterall, LOVE HIAWATHA!! , No?

[orange]

Originally posted by monkspider
Orange-
I find, for various reasons, the Native American civilization is as worthy of being in the top 16 as any. Your example regarding the Aborogine takes our arguements for the cultural diversity of the Native Americans a bit too far. While Native Americans are certainly more in for their cultural uniqueness more than anything (IMHO), they did make some contributions to things such as farming, government, art, and so forth. Certainly much more so than the Aborigines, while at the same time offering the same cultural diversity. Also, the Iroqouis are representing a much larger group than the aborigines. From the Nomadic Great Plains, to the unique housing styles employed by Native Americans of the Southwest, to the relatively advanced forms of self-government and farming that the Northeastern Native Americans offered. This is a very large group of people. I can respect your opinion on the Spanish and so forth being more deserving, it is a matter of taste. But the Native American peoples are as deserving of representation in the game as any, and given the relative similarities between the Spanish and other European groups, as well as the Arabs living on through the Babylonians, Persians and Egyptians, it is my honest opinion that Firaxis made the best choice.

Afterall, LOVE HIAWATHA!! , No?

Now, why can't you say that Ribannah? That I can not only relate to, but even somewhat agree with!

Your posts need something called "substance"

[Dr. Nick]

Fireaxis should release a game with infinite civs.

[orange]

I'm sure Rib could come up with an infinite number of PC civs to throw in Not the Spanish though

LOVE HIAWATHA!! LOVE HIAWATHA!!

[Dr. Nick]

Or the Incas!

LOVE RIBANNAH BANANA! LOVE RIBANNAH BANANA!