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The CIA world fact book lists the Russian Republic's population at 140 million; I tried to find Scotland's population but the only figures I could find where for the U.K. as a whole. Still, if we use your 20 million population figure and we realize that there are more people of Scottish ancestry in the U.S.A., Canada, South Africa, Australia, & New Zealand then live in the mother country (as per www.britania.com). So a reasonable world population figure is 40-50 million. I agree this is a rough estimate but it shows that Scots aren't an insignificant group.
True, Scotland is not the equal of Russia but you have not argued with the logic that we break "Slavic" and "Germanic" groups into their largest parts so why shouldn't we do the same for "Celtic" groups?
If we change the name of the civ from England to Britain then I will simply go away, however, to name it England (instead of Britain) is as wrong as to have a California or New York civ and saying they are the American civ. Either the correct name should be used or we should represent both of the major parties.
As for Civ3 only including civs that have had a great impact on the world; well let us not forget that the British Empire was the largest most powerful empire the world has ever known. They colonized and/or conquered large areas on every continent of the world. Again, if we name it the British civ then fine but if we are going to call it the English civ then we must recognize the Scottish as the co-equal owners/creators/administrators of this empire plus I have already listed numerous Scottish inventions and/or scientific advancements that have had a HUGE impact upon the world as we know it (the television, the steam engine, penicillin, the repeating rifle, the pneumatic tire, & the telephone. I can come up with many, many more examples if you wish). So it cannot be said that the Scottish did not have a tremendous impact upon the world in their own right.
As I said before the Spanish should be included but this is not a case where one civ or the other gets included. In fact the expansion pack will include at least eight if not sixteen civs so there is room for both civs. Please don't create a false dilemma.
Originally posted by Alexander01
Regarding the previous statement that the Scots should be included as the largest Celtic civ just like the Russians are in as the largest Slavic civ --
First of all, there are hundreds of millions of Russians, and a high estimate for the Scottish population would be 20 million. Not too many.
Regarding the previous statement that the Scots should be included as the largest Celtic civ just like the Russians are in as the largest Slavic civ --
First of all, there are hundreds of millions of Russians, and a high estimate for the Scottish population would be 20 million. Not too many.
True, Scotland is not the equal of Russia but you have not argued with the logic that we break "Slavic" and "Germanic" groups into their largest parts so why shouldn't we do the same for "Celtic" groups?
I think CivIII is trying to go for civs with a greater impact on the world (with some politically correct continental representation), so the Scots are more likely to be lumped into Britain under the name "English" (CivII gave the Scottish cities to the English also).
As for Civ3 only including civs that have had a great impact on the world; well let us not forget that the British Empire was the largest most powerful empire the world has ever known. They colonized and/or conquered large areas on every continent of the world. Again, if we name it the British civ then fine but if we are going to call it the English civ then we must recognize the Scottish as the co-equal owners/creators/administrators of this empire plus I have already listed numerous Scottish inventions and/or scientific advancements that have had a HUGE impact upon the world as we know it (the television, the steam engine, penicillin, the repeating rifle, the pneumatic tire, & the telephone. I can come up with many, many more examples if you wish). So it cannot be said that the Scottish did not have a tremendous impact upon the world in their own right.
Anyway, the Spanish will get in before the Scots ever do.
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