Scottish Civ for Civ3 expansion pack!

[Dinner]

I thought I'd take this opportunity to list a few more historically significant Scots. People like Mrs. Keiller who invented Marmalade, Charles MacIntosh who invented the rain coat & the trench coat, John Laodon who invented Tarmac (as in that stuff you drive your car over), John Chalmers who invented the adhesive stamp, William Patterson who founded the Bank of England (that's right the Bank of England was founded by a Scotsman), John Paul Jones who was the father of the American Navy, Robert Louis Stevenson who wrote Treasure Island, if you read an English version of the bible then then the first person mentioned is the Scotsman King James VI who authorized it's translation.
Then of course there's goods and produce from Scotland that is know around the world such as Scotch Whiskey which is widely regarded as the finest Whiskey in the world or Aberdeen Angus, also know as black angus, which is believed to be the finest beef that can be eaten. Anyone who has watched a ceremony commenting the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington has no doubt heard Bag Pipes being played. Anyone who has played Golf or watched the discus, the hammer throw, or curling during the Olympics has seen a uniquely Scottish sporting event. Also if you ever watched "Lassie" as a child then you have seen the Border Colie and perhaps even the Scottish terrior which are unique breeds of canine that originated in Scotland. Just a little FYI.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Big Crunch

They listed Glasgow because they probably believed that it was the capital and didn't bother to check.

Did they have Canberra as the capital of Australia, or Sydney?

I had to check this one out but it seems they did screw up and list Sydney as the Australian capital. Boy, these guys need to learn to do a little bit of homework before they rush to publish their stuff. Personally, I'd be mortified to have my name attached to such a glaring mistake.

[Myrddin]

Arthur

Since we already have 5 group included (Romans [who are set up for failure], Angles, Saxons, Jutes, & Norse/Vikings) that only leaves use with 3 spaces to cover everyone else. I think I'd give one civ each to a tribe from Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Each of the three has numerious tribal names to choice from. Hope this helps.

Do the Romano-Britons get Arthur as a great leader?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I had to check this one out but it seems they did screw up and list Sydney as the Australian capital. Boy, these guys need to learn to do a little bit of homework before they rush to publish their stuff.

I hate to think what they put the capital of Canada as. Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, anything but Ottawa no doubt.

[Dauphin]

John Laodon who invented Tarmac (as in that stuff you drive your car over),

All he did was add tar to the prevalent method of building roads, in order to stop stones getting caught in pneumatic tyres. Hardly a great achievement, considering he discovered it by spilling bitumen on a driveway.

However the name "tarmac" is an abbreviation of tarmacadam, MacAdam being the guy who came up with the method of building roads in a very specific way, to a very high degree of precision. Without him there would have been no turnpike revolution in 18th century England. It was his method of building roads that was later adopted across Europe. And with a name like MacAdam I wonder where he was from.

[Dinner]

Re: Arthur

Originally posted by Myrddin

Do the Romano-Britons get Arthur as a great leader? [/QUOTE]

I can't think of a better leader. Can anyone else come up with City names or Leader names for Angles, Jutes, Saxons, or Vikings?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


I hate to think what they put the capital of Canada as. Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, anything but Ottawa no doubt.

I'm begining to think Activision just listed cities from largest to smallest and just made the biggest city in each country the default capital. It seems like 5 minutes with a world atlas and they could have gotten the right capitals so I don't know what they were thinking.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Big Crunch

John Laodon who invented Tarmac (as in that stuff you drive your car over),

All he did was add tar to the prevalent method of building roads, in order to stop stones getting caught in pneumatic tyres. Hardly a great achievement, considering he discovered it by spilling bitumen on a driveway.

However the name "tarmac" is an abbreviation of tarmacadam, MacAdam being the guy who came up with the method of building roads in a very specific way, to a very high degree of precision. Without him there would have been no turnpike revolution in 18th century England. It was his method of building roads that was later adopted across Europe. And with a name like MacAdam I wonder where he was from.

Civ Trivia anyone?

[Dinner]

Sorry I've been gone for so long but I've been asked to help flesh out the Celtic civ proposal for the expansion pack. If any of you would like to contribute it would be much appritiated.
Also I've been toying with the idea of attaching the Scottish civ that we worked out here to the larger Celtic civ as an example of a more narrowly defined Celtic civ. Does anyone think this is a good idea or should I can it? It would kind of give Fraxis two different versions of the Celtic civs to choice from.

[Admiral PJ]

Scotlands capital is Edinburgh, always has been really.
Glasgows a wee bit bigger.

[Leppersson]

Yes, there was a lot of rush about Polish civ.
Here you have Great Scotland -quiet and admitting atmosphere...
I know why:
Holywood movies about Poland concerns only Jewish Holocaust there, nothing else (it is easy to understand - Holywood was founded by Jews, mostly with Polish origins ).
Wise Americans know far more about Braveheart than all other European nations last years

[Sandman]

Scotland is not really Celtic. The (extinct) Scots language is very similar to English, which is probably why it died off.

Gaelic, a different language, which could be claimed to be 'Celtic', is still spoken in Scotland and Ireland, mainly thanks to government support (which I strongly disapprove of).

[StarBegotten]

I have to say that Scotland is just too small to be included as a world spanning Civ (which is surely the focus of the game?), it's just too small. And I am Scottish!

I can see people wanting to add Scotland into scenarios and such like, but on a world stage? No, it just doesn't work.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by StarBegotten
I have to say that Scotland is just too small to be included as a world spanning Civ (which is surely the focus of the game?), it's just too small. And I am Scottish!

I can see people wanting to add Scotland into scenarios and such like, but on a world stage? No, it just doesn't work.

The same could be said for the English civ because both of them didn't have huge impacts upon the rest of the world until unification. Fraxis decided not to include a "British" civ and opted for an "English" on instead so Scotland has as much right to be included as England does.
Scottish scientists have had a huge impact on the world and Scottish military officers and statesmen had a lot to do with the expansion of the British Empire.

[Dauphin]

The same could be said for the English civ because both of them didn't have huge impacts upon the rest of the world until unification

Whilst the presence of Scotland in the union was a help, (especially considering their prior hindrance as an enemy) I do not agree with the rest of that statement.

Without the Scots England would still have lead to global conquest. Look at the populations of the two countries and it is like saying that without New York the USA would not be a global power.

For every major Scotsman in British history you could easily name 7 or 8 Englishmen.