What would you name the Chinese UU then?

[Chow Yun Fat]

I believe that Urban Ranger and some of the fellows here can read Chinese on the web (Maybe you can read Chinese books too.) Here's some reference that may be of interest.

ªZ¸gÁ`n (Gists of Military Classics)
Edited sometimes in the Sung period (1044 AD)

Quite a few Chinese web sites quoted it as one of the earliest encyclopedia of military. (The famous books like Sun Tzu were covering strategy while this book covers both strategy and tactics). I am not going to research for merely a name in such a detail. But you may.

Some Chinese explanation underneath
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x °V ½Ò µ{ Á¿ ±Â p ¹º (Military Training Course Teaching Plan)
[for Taiwan]

Google search url

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E0asLQQUCsk:www.youth.com.tw/member/Plan_02.htm+%A4%A4%B0%EA+%C3M%A7L&hl=zh-TW

Sorry I have not confirmed the links first. The link is really broken.

http://www.youth.com.tw/member/Plan_02.htm

Contains a very precise summary (two sentences! ) on the main composition of Chinese military. Should be a trustable source. Before 960 AD, Chinese used combined arms tactics, with fortified infantry as main defense and cavalry as offensive arm.
After 960 AD, infantry became the main arm of Chinese military.

I still cannot find the name of any famous Chinese military cavalry units. Two of them sound okay in Chinese but they were not covering the correct Golden period (in fact, they were "barbarians" units in strict Chinese sense)

They are
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[edited: provide the google links instead of the broken Taiwan link]

For those who can type in Chinese, try search for ¤¤°ê ÃM§L.
(Chinese and Cavalry) You'll find a lot of links to

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Age of Kings!!!

[Urban Ranger]

Alas, the link seems to be broken

[OneFootInTheGrave]

I think that special chinese unit should be a worker that costs less than in other civ's... but perhaps this would give Chinese too much advantage in the long term....

If not a worker than a Philosopher that could go around and create veteran units out of ordinary ones like, or something unconventionsal like this since chinese strenght was in numbers and culture ans not in the army as it seems to me...

The name for this Raider unit could have been something more oriental .. .not a raider

[Harlan]

Let's stay on topic. This is not the "what should the Chinese UU be" thread (there are others that have discussed that), but the "if the Chinese unit is the Rider in function and appearance, what's a better name for it?" thread.

[PGM]

Originally posted by Locutus
Well, I still think the Chinese UU should be called Crossbowman (...), but since we're stuck with a cavalry unit anyway, how about something like Soulun Horseman, Soulun Cavalry, Soulun Raider or just plain Soulun?

Yes! I like it. Much better than "Rider".

[Alexander I]

Sheng-chu'an!

For those of you who haven't played CivII's epic expansion pack, Conflicts in Civilization, there were many custom units created by the programmers for various civs. In the Mongol Hordes scenario, the Mongols attack with Elite and Light Cavalry, and the Chinese respond with a special heavy cavalry of their own, the Sheng-chu'an! It sounds cool, looked cool, and was a fairly decent unit. I don't see why Firaxis didn't chose this name for it's 'Rider' unit. That sounds kind of vague. Anyway, let's see what happens. All for Sheng-chu'an, post "aye." Just kidding, of course.

[lihb]

conclusion : crossbowman on the horse.

[Dida]

A good name for the Rider unit would be "TieQi" or "TieCh'i",
Tie means Steel, and Ch'i mean knight, calavary. These were the elite unit of Chinese Calavary. They wre widely used during the Wudi's campaint to drive the Huns from Northen China.

[Gangerolf]

"Koh-nee-choa" IMO is the best name for it. Not that I have anything against "Rider"... But it's kind of silly, like naming a infantry unit "Walker", or an aircraft "Flyer".
Koh-nee-choa .

[Dida]

Koh-nee-choa?
what is that? are you just making it up?

[jsw363]

Originally posted by Dida
A good name for the Rider unit would be "TieQi" or "TieCh'i",
Tie means Steel, and Ch'i mean knight, calavary. These were the elite unit of Chinese Calavary. They wre widely used during the Wudi's campaint to drive the Huns from Northen China.

Finally a decent suggestion. Now we just have to get someone to notice it.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by Dida
Koh-nee-choa?
what is that? are you just making it up?

It's my answer to the thread topic "What would you name the Chinese UU then?". I'm not saying it's the best pick, but that's what I'm going to name it.

And I'm not just making it up, thank you very much.

Koh-nee-choa

[Dida]

Originally posted by Gangerolf


It's my answer to the thread topic "What would you name the Chinese UU then?". I'm not saying it's the best pick, but that's what I'm going to name it.

And I'm not just making it up, thank you very much.

Koh-nee-choa

Come on people, if this name is not made up, it's at least somewhat strange, because not even a chinese could understand what that means.

[Harlan]

I don't see why anyone hasn't said anything about Sheng-chu'an. If the makers of Civ2 actually used it for a Chinese horse unit it must mean something good. Where are Chinese speakers in this forum?

TieCh'i sounds good also. I posted earlier in this thread that Ch'i meant "extraordinary" and referred to elite troops. Which works well in this context too. I thought "mama" means cavalry in Chinese, strange as that seems.

I agree Koh-nee-choa sounds made up, unless it is spelled phonetically, or in some very strange spelling system. What's that supposed to mean?

[Dida]

Sheng sounds very close to chinese pronouciation of God, and Chu'an very close to the word 'gun'.
But there are tons of Chinese words that pronouce the same but means different things.