The KOREAN Civilization: Things Every Civ Player Should Know

[King of Rasslin]

Christians do not oppress others, although our zeal is often mistaken for harmful aggression. When you are doing God's will, you really cannot put in too much effort, although some people do not understand this. It would be wonderful for the Chinese (oppressed by athiests, not Christians) to learn about Jesus.

[yellfromhell]

KoR,
Sure. Im Christian, but I dont eat your bananas
You talk about christians like if they came to existence last year, like a new hope for the world. Remember we have 2000 years of history and at least 70% of that time we gave terrorific treatment to the others. Christianity killed, blamed, tortured, spoiled, destroyed innocent people and civilizations in the name of god (but because of the will of christians, not God`s). So, please, dont talk as if we are all saints only because we are christians. We make the same mistakes as all the other people (and sometimes worse).
Hugs
Yell

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by yellfromhell
KoR,
Sure. Im Christian, but I dont eat your bananas
You talk about christians like if they came to existence last year, like a new hope for the world. Remember we have 2000 years of history and at least 70% of that time we gave terrorific treatment to the others. Christianity killed, blamed, tortured, spoiled, destroyed innocent people and civilizations in the name of god (but because of the will of christians, not God`s). So, please, dont talk as if we are all saints only because we are christians. We make the same mistakes as all the other people (and sometimes worse).
Hugs
Yell

Amen, it's so sad that a peacful religion like Christianity got hijacked by greedy warmongers, because it has forever tainted its reputation.

Not to mention all the groups and nationalities that despise it now. Unfortunately, Islam seems to be suffering the same fate.

[Aro]

You are quite right, Mr. GenghisFarb. The old “my God(s) is (are) better than your(s) and I will kill you right now if you don’t agree IMEDIATELY” it’s a curse that affect almost all religions, one time or another. Intolerance is poison, as we can see.

[GhengisFarb™]

My God's MORE omnipotent then your God!

(think about it)

[Aro]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
My God's MORE omnipotent then your God!

[Aro]

About the original matter of this thread,, we have already some important points directly referred to it.
1- There’s a big lack of knowledge about Asian Civilizations in Europe and USA.
2- There are (and was) a lot more civs than that who have a typical restaurant in Occidental cities.
3- Some links or references, in a well-organized way could help a lot fixing that big lack of knowledge.
4- Korea is one of the most important civs in Asia, but there’s another ones, like Vietnam (btw, how long Vietnam exists?).
5- There’s a potential market to Firaxis in Asia.
6- So, could we think about one more civ in the game? Korea does not count, is already in the PTW. Three civilizations (China, Japan and Korea) in the game. It's all? This was all the power of the East over the centuries?

I’m just trying to resume 30 pages of posts…

[King of Rasslin]

Hey, I actually read a lot of this thread, so I'm not as ignorant as Firaxis. I know very little about Asia but I do know that Mao killed more than Hitler, and Firaxis put him in the game. I don't know of any other ruler that could be for China. Most of the emperors were very corrupt. Wasn't the Chou dynasty the strongest Chinese dynasty (and is Chou pronounced Joe?)

[King of Rasslin]

Vietnam should be in the game since it had the greatest military tactics of all time, and used them to defeat us. It is kind of like Aikido, the martial art the ninjas used. I think the purpose of Aikido is to use your opponent's momentum against him, and that is how Vietnam fought. Although most of Vietnam's history occured in the 60's, I think it should be in the game if a partisan unit is added in Civ 3.

[yellfromhell]

KoR,
By coincidence every post I submit is in reply to one of yours
Just one thing: I dont think the game civs truly represent in any form the real civs. I really dont think we should worry about putting a murderer as leader or not... ¡¡¿isnt this just a game?!! maybe Im missing something... maybe I really crushed the frech yesterday... maybe that message I received from Herodotus wasnt just a dream
Come on... Hitler, Stalin, Mao... even Charles Manson if you want it (in "The Family" Civ)
Im psychologist, and there is a psychological operation called "sublimation" (dont really know the word in english, but in spanish is 'sublimación'). Every human has 'bad desires': suppose in the very deep of you mind, you want to rape your neighbour (a lovely blond that doesnt give you a chance ). You know that raping is wrong, and you know you will feel guilt after doing it. You also know the society wont admit such an act, so you decide not to satisfy that desire. But the energy you keep wasting in such desire needs to transform into action. So, without being conscious of it, you sublimate: you use that energy in another thing (you paint, you play music, you build a house, you take care of someone, you fight for a right, etc).
A game is fantasy, so being bad in fantasys territory helps us not to be worse in realitys territory. When we play we are sublimating much of the energy we otherwise would employ to do bad things in real life.
So the lesson is: the more rude you play in civ3, the less energy you`ll have to be rude in your life
Take this as you like: it can be a stupid joke or a stupid truth... also a stupid lie, but someone will later reply me with this argument
Well, all this was in defense of Hitler, Mao, Mussolini... ¡¡Ohh God, Im crazy!!
Hugs
Yellfromhell

[Lord Merciless]

Chou dynasty was the longest, but far from the strongest. From 770BC on, the Chou king was no more than a figurehead of its former feudal vassals. But the dynasty would survive until around 240BC, when the powerful Chin kingdom no longer saw any use for Chou on its way to unification.

Chinese dynasties all went through the same cycle: competent and dynamic rulers at beginning were later replaced by either morons or tyrants. All dynasties started out in great hopes, peaked around 100 years after their foundations, stagnated for a few decades, and went into decline for the next 100 years. None of the five major dynasties, the 2 Hans, Tang, Song, Ming, Qing, escaped this pattern.

[yellfromhell]

KoR,
I believe Vietnam has at least 500 years, but Im not really sure.
Hugs
Yellfromhell

[GhengisFarb™]

The info on Oriental cultures is available in the US, you just have to look for it. And as far as interest in the subject matter: someone started a thread titled "The KOREAN Civilization:Things Every Civ Player Should Know" and it has garnished over 700 replies amd almost 9000 views.

Many of those replies were questions/answers and I'm sure a lot of people have learned something in this thread, I know I have.

Unfortunately, I believe this thread will soon be closed as I've been given to understand that long threads like this tend to wreak havoc on the server.

Maybe, someone can summarize all the info in a smaller thread.

[King of Rasslin]

Putting Mao as the leader of China would be like putting Hitler as the leader of Germany.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by King of Rasslin
Putting Mao as the leader of China would be like putting Hitler as the leader of Germany.

I was in China a couple of months ago and found the Chinese version of Civ3 in stores. Well, the Chinese leader is no longer Mao, but a very famous and successful emperor from the Tang dynasty. I guess Mao is neither acceptable for the Taiwanese nor the Mainland censors.