Britain in Civ3??? NO THANKS

[OneFootInTheGrave]

It gives the majority of players someone to associate with.

And if you don't like it you can always change the name...

[DarkCloud]

What I don't understand about nationalism is why anyone cares- there is no better group of people in my mind, everyone is human.

Thus we should all be united under the banner of a Human League.

[Tingkai]

Why should the Celts deserve to be one of the top 16 civs? They were barbaric tribes that were destroyed centuries ago.

[Odin]

Shut up Tingkai

Originally posted by Tingkai
Why should the Celts deserve to be one of the top 16 civs? They were barbaric tribes that were destroyed centuries ago.

We're not talking about the ancient Celts, we're talking about the "Medevial" Celtic Kingdoms (Wales, Scotland, and Ireland

Finally; The ancient Celts Aren't Barbarians!!! Heck, They built Stonehenge without wheels using stone from Wales

Anyway; my definition of a MAJOR civilization is a nation or closely tied group of city states that had a great impact on the world.

So, U.S.A. is IN

And draco, quit dissing the US

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by MarkG
it seems like the nation(in the civ list) is called "english" and the country(in the setup screen) is called "britain"

Nice to see consistency then. I'm sorry but I think that is just really stupid, and cannot be excused.

Anyway,

I agree that the English should be the civ in the game and not the British, mainly because the English have been around for over a millenium, whilst Britain only as long as the US, and they aren't a civ are they KrazyHorse (). I also feel that the "British" civ is about as accurate as a "European" civ. Britain as a country was a notion used to get the Scots and to a much lesser extent Welsh onside - they would be willing to fight for their country Scotland or "Britain", but they wouldn't feel pride fighting for England.

[red_jon]

BC is right, confusing 'England' and 'Britain' is an appalling mistake (I already made a thread on this).

Oh, and to any Welsh nationalists - Wales becoming its own country is a bad idea - Western Europe doesn't need any third world countries

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by red_jon
Oh, and to any Welsh nationalists - Wales becoming its own country is a bad idea - Western Europe doesn't need any third world countries

Welsh and Scottish independence would be a good thing for the average English person. Scots have a greater representation in parliament per head of population, and the Welsh and Scots are also a net receiver of money from England.

I say give the Scots independence on the condition that they take the Northern Ireland issue with them.

[Lenius]

Oh, and to any Welsh nationalists - Wales becoming its own country is a bad idea - Western Europe doesn't need any third world countries

Very funny Red, apart from Wales being a small country, England is most to blame for Wales being poor - (if you want me to go into reasons why i shall) having said that far from all of Wales is poor, anyone whos been to Cardiff will know that, Cardiff is one of the fastest growing cities in uk i do believe if not western europe.

Anyway I'm glad to see that the vast majority would prefer Britain not to be in Civ3 and to be changed to England. Afterall it would only take a few text adjustments (from what i can see) to solve this problem that is certainly highly contentcious to people like myself.

So FIRAXIS please take note.

[Tingkai]

Re: Shut up Tingkai

Originally posted by Odin


We're not talking about the ancient Celts, we're talking about the "Medevial" Celtic Kingdoms (Wales, Scotland, and Ireland

Finally; The ancient Celts Aren't Barbarians!!! Heck, They built Stonehenge without wheels using stone from Wales

Anyway; my definition of a MAJOR civilization is a nation or closely tied group of city states that had a great impact on the world.

So, U.S.A. is IN

And draco, quit dissing the US

A bunch of stones heaped together doesn't exactly propel a bunch of barbarians into a civilize nation. And exactly what signigicant structure have the Celts built since Stonehenge?

What great impact have the Welsh, Scots and Irish had as Celtic people, other than when they were part of the British nation?

[SITS]

Tingkai where do you hail from?

[red_jon]

It's funny- BC and Lenius' posts seem to contradict each other.

I don't really care anymore about Welsh or Scottish independance - if they want their own country, fine. England is better than them anyway (j/k)


I don't understand why Firaxis have 'English' as the race and 'Britain' as the country. I don't know where to begin in describing why that is wrong.

[Jay Bee]

XarXo,

Although I tend to see some of the things you wrote in a slightly different manner, that was a damn good post, man Cultural richness arises from diversity, no doubt about it.

[Grumbold]

Re: Re: Shut up Tingkai

Originally posted by Tingkai
What great impact have the Welsh, Scots and Irish had as Celtic people, other than when they were part of the British nation?

*Sigh* This is just an incitement to indulge in silly bragging matches. The fact that England never managed to conquer Scotland despite centuries of warfare with much larger resources is some kind of tribute. Heck even the Romans decided to build a wall and go defensive rather than fight the clans.

There are many Scottish discoveries and inventions listed at http://www.fife.50megs.com/scottish_inventions.html
unfortunately most of these stem from after 1603 when the English and Scottish thrones were united. Sorry about that, if you really think it important. Interestingly King James the VI and I who united the thrones is also the founding monarch of the United States. Under his reign, the first successful colonies were planted on the American mainland--Virginia, Massachusetts, and Nova Scotia (Latin for New Scotland) in SE Canada. The King himself ordered, wrote and authorized the Evangelistic Grant Charter to settle the Colony of Virginia:

"To make habitation...and to deduce a colony of sundry of our people into that part of America, commonly called Virginia...in propagating of Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness...to bring a settled and quiet government."

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Lenius


Very funny Red, apart from Wales being a small country, England is most to blame for Wales being poor - (if you want me to go into reasons why i shall) having said that far from all of Wales is poor, anyone whos been to Cardiff will know that, Cardiff is one of the fastest growing cities in uk i do believe if not western europe.

Anyway I'm glad to see that the vast majority would prefer Britain not to be in Civ3 and to be changed to England. Afterall it would only take a few text adjustments (from what i can see) to solve this problem that is certainly highly contentcious to people like myself.

So FIRAXIS please take note.

Well before you start off on saying that England is the baddy and Wales has been victimised, try looking within the UK as well. Look at the North or at regions of the Midlands who are as poor, if not poorer than the Welsh. There are a lot of northern cities that look a lot more run down than the Welsh cities I have seen. It is a greater problem than Welsh vs. English, it is one of regional inequalities throughout the United Kingdom.

Well looking at the 'civ of the week' page, it says English, so I presume it will be the English that are in.

Which reminds me from the original civ. There was only one female leader in the game, Elizabeth. But none of the text change. It was interesting to see 'Greetings from he who makes mortals tremble, Elizabeth of the English'

[DrFell]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Which reminds me from the original civ. There was only one female leader in the game, Elizabeth. But none of the text change. It was interesting to see 'Greetings from he who makes mortals tremble, Elizabeth of the English'

Helped make the game a true classic