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Originally posted by Ruffinshot
Last I checked the game was called "Civilization", not "Nation-State". The Greeks were fractured into hundreds of distinct city-states, the Indians broken along linguistic and religious lines (still are), and the Germans not unified until the 19th century. Unity doesn't determine a culture.
Any group of people with a distinct culture (which usually entails common language, religion, taboos and mores, etc.) rates as far as deciding who can be a Civ. Generally the designers have tried to include the largest of them, and by that measure Celts should be included.
Last I checked the game was called "Civilization", not "Nation-State". The Greeks were fractured into hundreds of distinct city-states, the Indians broken along linguistic and religious lines (still are), and the Germans not unified until the 19th century. Unity doesn't determine a culture.
Any group of people with a distinct culture (which usually entails common language, religion, taboos and mores, etc.) rates as far as deciding who can be a Civ. Generally the designers have tried to include the largest of them, and by that measure Celts should be included.
Perfectly right, we're talking about "civilizations" here, and not only did the Celts overrun most of Europe, from Ireland to Ankara, in 387 BC they almost nipped the rise of the Roman Republic in the bud and Julius Caesar's first, last and only defeat in battle was at their hands, at Gergovia in 52 BC (anyone read "Asterix"?
) Stonehenge wasn't built by them, though, these rocks had been standing there for a long already when they arrived. Still, they had enough cultural achievements of their own, the first highly sophisticated civilization north of the Alps to be precise, producing incredibly beautiful pieces of art etc. Also around 1000AD there was a thing called the "Irish Mission" which did a lot to reinvigorate the then highly decadent Catholic Church (although it's probably debatable whether that was that positive an achievement), the "Book of Kells" is the oldest preserved book in the world (and in a very beautiful script to boot), etc. And then of course there is Whiskey the absence of which a lot a people would rather regret, I guess As someone else suggested: use the editor!!! Oh, and the Zulus were the only sub-Saharan people which ever managed to defeat a colonial army in battle, so I guess that makes them at least as good a representative of this region as any other. And there's a highly interesting thread about the Iroquois somewhere. People who talk about "uncivilised barbarians" should perhaps first get informed about what they're talking about. Not to mention reviewing their attitude towards people who are different in general...
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