Civs included. Just the facts madam 2.

[joseph1944]

Originally posted by Sabre2th
There has never been a female President in the U.S. (no women even run for President).

Just a short note. Elizabeth Dole ran for President in 2000 Republican primary. One of the first to drop out of the race.

[monkspider]

My guess is that Spain makes it in, with the Persians and Babylonians grouped as one civ, and the Aztecs filling the final spot, leaving the Mongols and Vikings to get the shaft. I have no evidence for my conclusion, other than it's the only thing that would make sense for Firaxis to do. Of course we can always hope that the magic number of 16 is extended to perhaps 18 or 20.

[monkspider]

.....Of course, on the same coin, I would rather see the Mongols than the Spaniards, but of course this is all merely IMHO

[JellyDonut]

Originally posted by Alexander01
In regards to the ess-zet "ss" vs. "Beta" problem in German, unless they've changed it in the last two months, words where the ess-zet follows a short vowel have two s's, while words with a long vowel have an ess-zet.

Technically, it is still used after a long vowel (Straße, Fuß) and diphthongs (weiß, Scheiße), except for the word "aus," which would have otherwise been written "auß." And in Switzerland they don't use the ß at all! The recent reforms make German spelling quite easier, but even before it was nothing compared to English spelling (which is very difficult for us foreigners). Now if only you guys could fix it!

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by Sabre2th
There has never been a female President in the U.S. (no women even run for President).

What about Hillary? Does anyone actually think Bill was making the decisions? Come on, he was too busy hitting on trailer park trash to actually govern. That and without her sticking with him, he never would've had public support. For at leas tthe last few years, Hillary was out president, not Bill.

[Alexander I]

I think monkspider's hypothesis is quite reasonable. The Aztecs will probably be in due to the "token race" problem - at least one race from everywhere. The Spanish are possible though evidence for them is shaky, but they were quite influential for centuries, so the probability remains. Babylon and Persia could be lumped together as "Mesopotamians," though I think it more likely that Persia is included alone with the Babylonians incorporated (the Babylonian empire was entirely incorporated into the Persian empire, which was longer lasting anyway). Persia incidentally had 5 capitals: Persepolis - the new ceremonial capital the Kings were building, Alexander burned before it could be totally finished, Pasargadae, the old administrative capital of Persia, Ecbatana, the capital of Media, Susa (or Shushan), the capital of Elam, and Babylon, the capital of Babylonia. They may try this Persian empire approach. The only unique unit I can think of is the Immortal, which would either replace swordsman or chariot. I don't know.

[jsw363]

Alexander-

What exactly is an Immortal?

I saw this picture on this site for a cavalry type unit that could be the "Mesopotamian" special unit. It's listed possibly as a dervish, but if anyone could identify the unit that'd be great.

[jsw363]

Also, could this be the Eagle Warrior (Aztec Special unit)?

This would raise the possibility of the Aztecs.

[Ecthy]

weren't there official statements mate about the civs included? shouldn't we already know whether aztecs are in or not?

[SerapisIV]

Nope, no official statements, other then screenshots or random mentions. I don't think even any previews have mentioned the Aztecs either.

[Alexander I]

The 10,000 Immortals were the King of Persia's elite guard. When one member would die, another man was immediately added to fill the vacancy, thus they were "Immortal" because there were always 10,000 of them. If anyone's played the CivII Alexander the Great scenario, the Immortals unit reflects King Darius III. It's a modified charioteer image with gold-ish armor, a spear, dark skin, and no plume in the helmet.

I recently read that the Immortals were bowmen/infantryman. That is to say, they were armed with bows and quivers of arrows in addition to spears, giving them both a ranged attack and a hand-to-hand melee ability. They were supposedly quite formidable in the Achaemenid Dynasty, though Alexander finished them off, along with everything else he came near.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Alexander01
I'm sorry to diappoint you, but to me it appears that Firaxis has eliminated the "barbarian" civilizations from CivIII.
That eliminates the Mongols and the Vikings from the running.
Also, we are about 99% sure the Japanese are in because we've seen their animated Shogun and samurai unique unit.
The Israelis are another matter because of their unique culture. Don't ask me why, but someone might get offended if they were included (or excluded for that matter) - it's just not the politically correct thing to do. (Even though I'd like to see them in too). And yes, CTP included the Hebrews, but they also ripped off Sid Meier's idea, right down to names like Shakala that were invented. This leaves Persians, Babylonians, Aztecs, and Spanish. One of these four will be left out.

You call the Vikings barbarians!!! they were the greatest sailors in the early middle ages. The only reason some people called the Vikings barbarians was because of their fierce warriors. They crossed the Atlantic while the rest of Europe was climbing out of the Dark Ages. The traditionnal Viking "capital", Trondhiem was a trade center since 500B.C.!!! Finally in the Screenshot units, one of units looked like those viking warriors.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Locutus
14. PERSIANS - City names (capital) -> Brown?
15. BABYLONIANS - City name -> Red

both confirmed by Jeff Morris

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=412236#post412236

[Kassiopeia]

Cripes MarkG, you must have a faster connection then me. This is interesting however...

[jsw363]

So I guess that this means that we're just looking for one more....
I personally think that it's probably the Aztecs, but we need confirmation.

Alexander-

Could this be an immortal?