Civs included. Just the facts madam 2.

[Bereta_Eder]

The previous thread got messed up by the upgrade.
So let's upgrade too

So just the facts and arguments about teh facts please.
I added some of your legitimate concerns in the botto of the page.

So, so far and based on our evidence, we know that:

100% CONFIRMED. These civs ARE in CIV 3.

1.AMERICANS - Leader (100% confirmed), city names, unique unit (F15)
2.GERMANS - Unique unit (Panzer). Multiple text references
3.CHINESE - Leader (100% confirmed)
4.ROMANS - Leader, city name (capital), unique unit (Legion)
5.FRENCH - Leader (100% confirmed), dialogue window of the french
6.RUSSIANS - Unique Unit (Mig)
7.ZULUS - Unique Unit (Impi)
8.ENGLISH - Leader (100% confirmed)
9.EGYPTIANS - Leader (100% pharaoh ), definite text reference
10.INDIANS - Leader (100% confirmed)
11.MONGOLS (90%)- or JAPANESE?(10%) Leader ** (see bottom of page)
12.IROQUOIS - Leader (100% indian ), city names, text references


HIGH PROPABILITY. This civ is almost certaintly in

13.GREEKS - City name (capital), possible unique unit (Hoplites*).

*In the screenshot Athens is building Hoplites. In greek «OPLITES» means "men-at-arms". This word is still in use today in Greece and it still means the same thing as it did in Ancient Greece.

EVIDENCE ABOUT OTHER CIVS (which means they could be in or not)

14.PERSIANS - City names (capital)
15.SPANISH - City name: Salamanca (which historically was once a Roman city)
16.BABYLONIANS - City name
17.AZTECS - City names

SUGGESTIONS BASED ON CLUES (weak clues but we report them)

18.**JAPANESE (open for debate plz see the samurai(?) unit at http://viewer.fgnonline.com/fgn_medi...ws%2Funits.jpg

**Also see http://www.infogrames-expo.com/screens/civ05b.jpg Gheghis Chan of the Mongols or a Japanese leader? (All votes except one say Ghengis).


19.VIKINGS (?) Very weak clues. See above mention URL for the boat: Viking Longboat?

20.ISRAELIS. Apolytoner Eli has pointed out that according to a israeli site, Israel is in.

21. CANADIANS. City name (Montreal). The city name is NOT on the map, but on a civ 3 window.

22. CONFEDERATES. As reffered to in a swedish article, a Great Military Leader in Civ 3 could be Stonewell Jackson. Apolytoner Arator pointed out that this leader is impossible to be in the same civ as Lincoln (=100% confirmed leader of the Americans).


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The evidence is categorized as such:

Leader= We have a picture of the leader of the corresponting civ.
Unique Unit= We know that the particular unique unit belongs to the corresponding civ
Text reference= The civ has been mentioned by Firaxis in their web site or in interviews by their CEO
City names= The names of cities that clearly belong to the corresponding civ are included in scrrenshots of the game
All other clues=All other clues are reported next to the civ name.

-------------------------CIV FACTS-----------------------

_Firaxis said the made NO official announcement regarding the number of civs that may or may not be included in the game.

_In a Gamespot article its says that civs will be 16.
_ An israeli site says that civs will be 16

--------------------------POINTERS-------------------------

The city names in the screen shots can be from an extra city names list - Like Apolytoner Locutus verified -or could have been arbitrarily written be members of FIraxis. So city names in screenshots doesn't guarantee that a civ will be in.

[Wernazuma III]

I am absolutely sure the aztecs are in. Beside Ehcatepec there was another city with an aztec name on a screenshot (don't remember it now) and one unit of the same color looked very likely to be an eagle-warrior.

[Locutus]

Good job on the new thread paiktis, not only was the other one screwed up, it was also going way off topic. So, everyone, if you have any comments on which civs should be included, please don't post them here but FE in Stefu's thread.

Paiktis, Maybe you should the the sentence about 16 civs at the bottom of your post to 'Several preview articles say the number of civs will be 16', as according to Eli the number 16 was mentioned by the Isreali article as well and I myself am pretty sure that I also saw the number somewhere else.

Yes, Wernazuma, IIRC there were full citynames and you could see part of the name 'Tenochtitlan' somewhere too. But as paiktis points out, city names alone aren't enough.

[tniem]

Originally posted by Locutus
Yes, Wernazuma, IIRC there were full citynames and you could see part of the name 'Tenochtitlan' somewhere too. But as paiktis points out, city names alone aren't enough.

Likewise unique units should not necessarily be enough. The Russian Mig could be a special unit that any civ could research depending on how Firaxis includes special units. I do not believe that they have set this in stone yet.

[Bereta_Eder]

Locutus,
good to have you back
The israeli site was referred to in the list. But I did cut and paste to transport it to this thread and it got lost in the way!!

It's gamespote and that israeli site that have said that 16 civs will be included. At least that's what's reported to us.

Tniem,
You say «the russian mig» and prove what goes on. Firaxis SPECUFFICALY said that Impi for example will be the special unit of the zulus

[Locutus]

Originally posted by tniem
I do not believe that they have set this in stone yet.

Well, I believe they have. I've had the great opportunity to have a peek behind the screens of developing a civ game (CtP2 to be precise) and one of the things I've learnt is that art is very expensive and not likely to be replaced (unless they're fillers of course, but that would be instantly visible). For every unit/leader/whatever they make they have to pay artists, lawyers, QA people, managers, etc, all sorts of people. Graphics are in fact one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive part of a game.

You do have a point when you say that certain units may look like special units but in fact aren't but as Paiktis said, an image alone isn't enough evidence either.

[Locutus]

The city names in the screen shots can be from an extra city names list - Like Apolytoner Locutus verified -or could have been arbitrarily written be members of FIraxis. So city names in screenshots doesn't guarantee that a civ will be in.

Should we assume Hunt Valley, as seen in one of the 'secret' GameSpy screenshots, is such a city? It's where Firaxis HQ can be found but AFAIK it's not a town that has any (other) historical significance... (too bad you can't read the city name of that other city at the bottom of the screen).

[Bereta_Eder]

Actually, Serapis found the name of a city that he said was the place of origin of one of the Firaxis' members

I dont remember the name (it was an american city) it is burried somewhere the monstrous 160ish thread!

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Ya. Its called Huntsville.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
I am absolutely sure the aztecs are in. Beside Ehcatepec there was another city with an aztec name on a screenshot (don't remember it now) and one unit of the same color looked very likely to be an eagle-warrior.

On the same screen as Ehcatepec you can see "Tenoc..." with the same color. If that isn't the capital then what other city begins like that?

[Locutus]

Hmm...Only noticed it now, but in this screenshot, Kerplakistan is shown. I don't know how well known this is but according to the Marin's Dictionary Kerplakistan is 'notional country from which enemies come', so this is yet another one on the list of b*ll**** names...

vgriph, I said the same thing just a few posts back...

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Locutus
vgriph, I said the same thing just a few posts back...

Sorry, I missed that, should have posted it yesterday if my computer hadn't crashed when I browsed the forum.

[Gramphos]

I just wanted to inform you that I've identified a unit on a screenshot as 100% Indian (native American) , and I think it can be added to the list on evidence for Iroquois.

[Andreiguy]

Likewise unique units should not necessarily be enough. The Russian Mig could be a special unit that any civ could research depending on how Firaxis includes special units. I do not believe that they have set this in stone yet.

Ahem...the Russians are in. They certainly played a much bigger role in civilization than, for example, the Aztecs or Confederates. They're the biggest country in the world too! Firaxis would be insane to not put them in! (The Americans wouldn't have a nemesis; just China is boring...)

Sorry, I'm Russian, and it's common knowledge that we and the French are the most arrogant, selfish, self-centered, egotistical people on the planet.

Good day!

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Actually, Serapis found the name of a city that he said was the place of origin of one of the Firaxis' members

I dont remember the name (it was an american city) it is burried somewhere the monstrous 160ish thread!

I only guessed that Waukegan was a home town of the Firaxis guys, I don't have any proof, I checked the Firaxis page, but not all of the employees have listed where they're from. But the fact that now they also included a Maryland town near their actual Firaxis HQ, means that in those screenshots, a Firaxis player is the Americans and just having fun with his city names, something I do quite often.