Civs included. Just the facts madam 2.

[Locutus]

Looks like I'm gonna have to do some research myself to figure out the facts about Jackson... Don't have time for that now though.

Well, I hope paiktis or someone else can enlighten us about the Russians, a I agree MiG seems to be a bit strange. But if it's not a MiG, the Hind, T-34 or An-225 would seem more logical choices for the Russians if you ask me...

[bagdar]

Originally posted by paiktis22
If the Turks are in (which I hope they will be although I am increasingly worried about having olny 16 civs) which leader would you like?

It might be Ataturk but if the Ottomans are in I'd say Suleiman the Magnificent.

I always say that I prefer the Civ II set, but if they decide to include us as a civ; either Ataturk, Mehmet II or Suleiman would be the best choice. I guess CTP had Osman I, who was only the chieftain of the tribe which grew up into the Ottoman Empire, so that wasn't a good choice. On the other hand, what would be the special unit for the Turks? The Janissaries seem to be the best choice, but what kind of a standard-unit transformation would that be? Mad-kind-of-musketeer-horseman-swordsman-cannoneer-who-would-not-stop-revolting-until-it-screws-up-the-empire? Well, anyway, nobody seems to be excited about the Turks in Civ anyway, as the poll also showed , even I'm not excited!

[SerapisIV]

A lot of people have complained about the probable inclusion of only 16 civs in Civ3, while not confirmed, all current announcements/previews do little to change this likely possibility. Slightly off-topic MOO3 recently announced a similar change, but Quiksilver released an explanation, the arguements for such a reduction are almost identical for Civ3 as they are for MOO3.

Link: MOO3 16 Races Announcement

[Bereta_Eder]

Locutus,
It wasn't a trick! I was really frustrated with the loading times of the forums. It would take 1 whole minute to open up a thread. I was exasperated and I really thought that was it
But the widrawl syndroms proved too big
If you feel tired just say the word and I'm up for it Although I still can make coffee waiting for some threads to open

About the Russian Mig.

Previous research has shown us that Russians will have the Mig as their special unit.
_We have a picture (actually 2 pictures) of the Mig.
_We have written confirmation by Firaxis that these images are pictures of Mig.
_We have multiple text references that the Mig will be the special Unit of the Russians in previews.

I think that constitues a certainty about the Russians.

Bagdar,
I can think of a lot of civs I rather not have than have and have the Turks. The unique unit of the Turks can be as arbitrary as all the other unique units we now have about other civs

[Bereta_Eder]

Serapis,
Like you after following the research for so long I am very close to be convinced that we will only have 16 civs. Don't forget that the disclaimer of Firaxis about the number of civs was made in a thread that discussed the number of civs that will be playing SIMULTANIOUSLY in the game.

It cannot be substantiated but my instinct tells me we will have 16.

[joseph1944]

T. Jackson

Would someone tell how to use this scanner that I have to upload message to this forum?

[Geoff the Medio]

First off, let me say I don't really know what I'm talking about.

That said,

For military power, I'm sure I've heard somewhere that Canada had the 3rd largest naval fleet in the world after WWII. Canada was involved in both world wars, the boer war and either korea, veitnam or both. (I could research this stuff, but it's not really worth the effort for this...) These are, I think, all the "big wars" the US has been involved in recently (no the Gulf War doesn't count, IMHO).

The WWII Corvette (naval destroyer/escort) could possibly be a special unit.

Trudeau or Sir John A MacDonald could be possible leaders.

Gen. Isaac Brock or Gen. Wolfe could be heros.

Lastly, perhaps Canadians could be included as a selling-point? I imagine a few people could be persuaded that way...

Originally posted by Pilfur
First let me say that I am Canadian, and I consider my country to be the best place in the world to live.

But a civilization III empire based on Canada?! Um, no. It is just silly. Canada was never a world military power, nor will it ever be. Its just a peaceful little ex-colony of england. It has no long history reaching back to ancient, or even medieval times (same for the Americans but they at least have had some big wars), and doesn't really have a great historic leader. Who will Canada's leader be? Pearson? Trudeau? And then who is the hero of Canada? Joseph Brant? Unique unit to Canada? Geese that poop on you? I don't think Canada will make the cut.

[Wernazuma III]

Come on, every country can name one or two things where they were a bit important. Before Canada I'd include Poland (you know, they are more people, existed longer and fought in more wars) or - I didn't suggest this earlier because I thought it would be biased - my homecountry Austria (once a really important country, different from canadians who are living behind the forest obviously being a bit megalomanics.

[Geoff the Medio]

I never said Canada *should* be included. I just said it could be, and I disagreed with the statements

Canada was never a world military power

and
(Canada)

doesn't really have a great historic leader.

and suggested a few semi-reasonable options for leader, unit etc.

I do however think Austria, or some variation thereof, should be included due to perceived historical importance (of mine anyway).

[Inverse Icarus]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

canada.

[joseph1944]

Lincoln was elected President on Nov. 6, 1860. Took office on March 4, 1861. Several states said that if Lincoln was elected they would leave the Union, and they did leave the Union. The Civil War started on April 12, 1861.

[JamesJKirk]

Originally posted by joseph1944
Lincoln was elected President on Nov. 6, 1860. Took office on March 4, 1861. Several states said that if Lincoln was elected they would leave the Union, and they did leave the Union. The Civil War started on April 12, 1861.

Okay, South Carolina seceded after Lincoln was elected but before he took office, on Dec 20, 1860.

[SerapisIV]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Serapis,
Like you after following the research for so long I am very close to be convinced that we will only have 16 civs. Don't forget that the disclaimer of Firaxis about the number of civs was made in a thread that discussed the number of civs that will be playing SIMULTANIOUSLY in the game.

It cannot be substantiated but my instinct tells me we will have 16.

I really hope for more simultaneous civs, but all the previews point to a conservative iteration of Civ, with that in mind, I figure they'll stick close to 7, maybe 8 simultaneous civs, with 16 to choose from. And as you point out, the Firaxis post claimed that no announcement was made with regards to simultaneous civs, no denial of the inclusion of only 16 civs was made, but we can always hope for more

[Locutus]

Sure, paiktis, sure. That what I would say if I were you But I don't have any problems the current situation...

Thanks for the info on the Russians. Guess that makes them a certainty then.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Originally posted by joseph1944
The picture of the Indian brave is Iroquois because of the Mohawk hair cut. Plains Indian did not cut their hair for the most part that I'm aware of.

To clarify, we were not discussing a leader picture, but the graphic posted by
vgraph on 23-05-2001 at 08:45.
The horseman with the feathered headress. He's too small to even see hair, so I suspect you are describing another graphic.