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  • #61
    Thanks all - I have just about as much fun telling stories about my games as I do reading stories about your games!

    Dominae: I did consider invading Babylon instead of Persia as my initial "escape" from icy Rome. Several factors led me to settle on Persia: (1) I had a loading point (city) that would allow one turn galley loading, channel-crossing, and unloading (i.e., 3 water tiles) which meant I could ferry troops across every 2 turns en masse -- Babylon was just out of reach and would have taken longer to move troops; (2) While Babylon and Persia were almost equally backwards, I believed that Babylon's position was due to its early isolation and having to catch up, while Persia's was due to deeper problems -- lots of war and no infrastructure; (3) I saw a lot of jungle in Babylon, and figured it would take me a long time to make the land productive with my non-industrious workers -- I needed productive land and didn't want to trade tundra for jungle; and (4) Babylon was an early culture leader (not surprising) -- I wanted to capture and hold cities in my intial assualt and not have to raze them -- the pop points were simply too precious -- and I was concerned about the likelihood of numerous flips of Babylonian cities. My own strongest counterpoints against Persia were: (1) a successful Babylonian war would earn me the entire continent (eventually), because I wouldn't ever fear a trimmed Hammy or an intact Shaka; and (2) I could avoid the more aggressive Germans, Russians and Persians by staying off their continent.

    I still want to go back and look at the culture levels in my game (but don't know if there is an easy way to do this other than investigating each enemy city and tallying city-by-city culture?). I didn't strike me until far too late in the game to do anything about it, but I think I was at real risk to losing a culture victory to Babylon. The attached screenshot is the cultural histograph just one turn before my SS launch -- I know that the "waterfall bar graph" shows the per-turn rate of accumulation of culture points versus the total accumulated per civ, but it seems just from eyeballing this that Hammy must have been close to doubling Bismarck's total culture sometime in the late game (since my total culture was almost 70K, Hammy's had to be well over 100K).

    Anyone know how to figure out the total culture points of an AI civ?

    Catt
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    • #62
      This won;t be nearly so literate and entertaining as Catt's posts (I also don;t know how to do screenshots as well), but I'll put up what I've got thus far:
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      In progress report: Emperor, and the AU Mod where you can;t upgrade Legions to Longbowman (grrrr)


      4000 BC - 710 BC

      Quoting my own earlier post:

      "Rome: LEGIONS, militaristic, and commercial. As in, beeline for Mapmaking (find the AI civs, duh, and cheap harbors for a food-starved island), Iron Working (what was I thinking the first time ), and Monarchy (only one lux... can we say MPs?), followed by Currency (again, harbors thus gold, and one of the key levers has to be money and low corruption). Repeat: I still feel like a dope for my misguided first effort."

      Other early thoughts:

      * Got Ceremonial Burial from a goody hut. Didn;t much matter, as I was focused on getting out Settlers, Workers and Warriors. * One luxury and MPs were enough for happiness.
      * Built a lot more Granaries than usual.
      * Got Barbs out of the way fast. Posted Warriors to uncover all the fog, except the the southwest tip, which generated probably 4 encampments.
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      The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

      Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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      • #63
        250 BC

        The first encounter. Traded what I could (not much), and whacked him. GA commences... many Legions were built.

        Audaces fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold
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        The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

        Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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        • #64
          150 AD

          Still at war with Jerxes.

          Lizzie declared on me too, for no reason, the bee-yatch. On the other hand, I'll later thank her for building Newcastle a convenient 3 tiles from Roman lands.

          I've got a little surprise for them...

          I nailed Persepolis first, securing the Oracle, Newcastle second. I built Tarentum between the two, giving me a unified cultural boundary. This early in the game4, though, I wasn;t so worried about CF, so my first build was Walls (militaristic rocks for this... I built Walls in almost every town at risk). I went for Susa, but had to back off for the moment. I had the Galleys running the Legion Express Ferry Service, however, and was eventually able to take it with sheer force of numbers... facing Pikemen and Knights.

          Got my first 2 GLs along about here... Army and HE in Persepolis

          Also, I had a couple of spare Galleys exploring, and shortly met Hammie and Shaka. I got lucky, and squeezed a town in on the northern tip of their continent.

          I made peace, and between cowering, my maps, and my contacts, I got from Lizzie everything left in the Ancient era, except Construction and Republic.

          I got jack-all from Jerxes, but his day will soon come.

          BTW, notice how packed the island is... 18 towns.

          Legions ROCK!

          Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant:
          Where they create desolation, they call it peace
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          The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

          Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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          • #65
            810 AD

            Legions are tremendous defenders as well. I was terminally behind in Tech, and bad boys didn't let me down.

            As noted in other reports Babylon and Germany are definitely killer AI civs (other than Hammie NEVER building Barracks).

            Legions fortified on hills and mountains... "Uh, Mr. Knight, sir, can I just say 'morituri te salutant' and BUH-BYE!! (and thanks for the 2 GLs on both offense and defense!)"

            BTW, somewhere in th mid-100s AD, I completed my FP in Pompeii, and also started building Spearmen for MP purposes and later upgrade.
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            The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

            Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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            • #66
              900 AD

              God did this make me happy.

              SPQR!
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              The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

              Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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              • #67
                1330 AD

                And this...

                SPQR again!!
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                The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                • #68
                  1330 AD

                  This, however, did not... the German sneak attack. 20Cavs, 2 Knights, and an LB.

                  God I hate Bizzie-Marckie!! Especially when he is soooo far ahead on tech. I was unable to get a branch tech lead, so I had to keep oscillating to extort techs.
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                  The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                  Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                  • #69
                    1335 AD

                    I nailed 4 Cavs and the 2 Knights, but the bastard just kept coming... see the 3x Knight Army?? Damn!!

                    [more to come over the next day or two]
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                    The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                    Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                    • #70
                      Actually, two more for now:

                      1420 AD

                      I oscillated onto France, and saw these at the bottom of the continent... I was like a moth to a flame... DESTROY!!
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                      The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                      Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                      • #71
                        1575 AD

                        Ah, the sweetest things in life...

                        Ita diis placuit: Thus it pleased the gods
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                        The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                        Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                        • #72
                          Excellent story and shots all around -- I tried each time to capture a screenshot of the enemy leader dying -- never came out in the shot.

                          Wow! Your German sneak attack was worse than mine -- I didn' t see a single knight IIRC (all cavs), but the first wave was only 12 - 14 cavs. A smaller and steady trickle thereafter as German forces were presumably drawn to the south and the French. How much success did the German offensive enjoy?

                          Your Babylonian offensive to the chokepoint is exactly a goal I initially formulated, figuring that if I could get there I could hold off Hammy with ease -- I didn't try it until tanks and even then I attacked to the north rather than cutting the chokepoint and moving forces both north from the new base and south from the Roman mainland -- as is obvious from my AAR, I didn't even get close to this objective and in fact called off the trek to the chokepoint, contenting myself with taking the dyes to the north. A definite tactical mistake on my part in retrospect that I would do over again if I could, as control of the penninsula would have made the later game much less scary.

                          Hope that the deal memo is taking up far less time than AU 107 as I want to follow the story to the conclusion .

                          Catt

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Catt
                            I know that the "waterfall bar graph" shows the per-turn rate of accumulation of culture points versus the total accumulated per civ, but it seems just from eyeballing this that Hammy must have been close to doubling Bismarck's total culture sometime in the late game (since my total culture was almost 70K, Hammy's had to be well over 100K).

                            Anyone know how to figure out the total culture points of an AI civ?

                            Catt
                            I'm a bit confused... does a single horizontal line of the graph show the total culture of the world at that time, or the total cultural growth per turn at that time?
                            Last edited by DaveMcW; October 18, 2002, 07:35.

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                            • #74
                              I thought the graph displayed total culture as a percentage of the world total. So not raw points, but rather each civ's share vis-a-vis the others. Maybe I'm wrong, because looking at Catt's graph, it sure looks like the Babs shoulda won.

                              Theseus, that's a lot of armies. And a lot of legionaries. Yeesh. And is that a rifleman army I see? Did you use leaders exclusively for armies?

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #75
                                By my measurement, Babylon didn't quite double Germany's culture in Catt's game. But the graph HAS to be percentage of total accumulated culture in the game, not culture per turn. Otherwise, civs that are all but wiped out wouldn't stay so high on the culture graph for so long. Great presentation, by the way, Catt, and you too Theseus.

                                I just entered the modern era myself, in 1570 AD if I remember right. Barring war, I should be able to maintain a four-turn-per-tech pace throughout the modern era, although I'll be doing it at a considerable deficit until research labs start coming online. I'm thinking in terms of going for a space race victory unless either someone's stupid enough to pick a fight or the Babs threaten to win a cultural victory. (My culture is still well below half theirs, but I'm gaining pretty rapidly now that most of my cities are finally getting around to universities, temples, cathedrals, and coliseums.) The surviving significant powers were all allies (albeit well-paid ones) in my German and Russian campaigns, so I'm not that inclined to go after them as long as they don't provoke me.

                                By the way, Joan did finish off Lizzie for me in about three turns, pretty much as I expected, so the world is at peace once more and I don't have to worry about my English cities' flipping. And I finally caught sight of a pair of ships that's probably been all that's left of Germany for centuries a few turns ago, although I had nothing to intercept them with.

                                Nathan

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