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[alva]

Could it have anything to with pop-rushing (despotism)
seems to obvious. and then it should happen more often , at least in my games

btw: does anyone have save where there is a barb- risingupping ?

[DeepO]

pop rushing... that was something I haven't thought about. Somewhere in the manual it says that people leave because they are tired of working so hard, so it does make a lot of sense that they'll join Barbarians instead. Why those Barbs start flooding you, however, is another matter.

to counter the occurence factor (indeed, risings would occur every other turn when it would be directly related to pop rushing), maybe it happens when two different Civs have pop rushed. But I wouldn't bet my money on it.

So again my question: has anyone seen multiple risings in one game?

DeepO

[monkeyman]

Just a thought (OffOffTopic)

It might be a fun idea, anytime a barb uprising occurs, give your closest city to the most powerful civ, bankrupting them

Question is, would they fall for it?

--mm

[DeepO]

I did that once. It didn't exactly worked well, though. that city later became a cultural spearhead, and made one of my own cities flip

A tactic that did work a few times is to lead a horde away from your cities, and to the opponents. Especially in jungles / mountains it is easy: keep one tile in front with any unit, and just go straight to the first enemy city. The horde will follow you. If you manage to keep it up until you reach another city, you're freed from the horde, and their treasury gets sacked.

However, it is quite difficult: if the horde sees one of your cities before an enemy city, it will go towards that. And, terrain can be difficult: coming out of jungle or from the mountains usually means they can reach you in one turn, and your unit is gone. But it is fun to actually use the barbs for something good

DeepO

[Tim_Hobbit]

Just had a thought (it's probably not a new one), it would be nice if GLs would be generated fighting Barbs! That would give the peacefull types a option other then war with other civs.

[DeepO]

Wasn't this removed in the first patch? I thought my first ever leader was generated by a barb horde pounding on a spearman. He was also the first ever leader I lost before I could do anything with him, the spearman eventually gave in

DeepO

[Theseus]

DeepO, I've definitely seen multiple uprisings, but always at the same time.

My next guess: The second city captured, by anyone, anywhere.

[Theseus]

BTW, this may be the greatest threadjacking I've ever seen.

[alva]

ok , let's see, maybe we try to sum things up, that we havn't discussed

* second forbidden palace being build (or able to)
* reaching max amount of optimal cities? (or half at least)

the rotten thing about this, is that is gonna be something awfully simpel (Soren stop laughing : )
like you have in crossword puzzles

[notyoueither]

Global Historical Terms

does not involve governments though. That would be an indirect link

a barbarian uprising might not be caused by the human player...

the human player, in fact, might not even notice it...

it is, in fact, caused by the second time something happens...

Try thinking in larger terms... it doesn't have anything to do with any particular city or any particular unit

It's not the second monarchy, it's not the second republic. Switching has been guessed, yet the game goes on...

The AI can cause 'a' barbarian uprising. Notice he did not say 'the'.. In fact, I've seen multiple. I've definitely had 3 or 4 stacks erupt around me on the same turn. I believe I have also had eruprions occur on more than one turn...

The second time something happens... hmmmm

Not related to a particular unit or city... hmmmm

Furthermore, a post regarding just turned to republic garnered a 'close but no cigar' reply...



What do barbarians want? Gold! I'd say it has something to do with the total amount of gold in all treasuries (perhaps reaching that point the second time), or the second time a significant amount of lump sum or gpt gold is transferred from one civ to another.

The barbs would then descend on the civs with the most gold. Hence, some players would not see them. Although a tech buyer such as myself would see them all the time.

How's that?

[Solver]

NYE - as good as any other idea, possible .

Yeah, a great treadjack, but if Soren did it, we gotta support this .

As for Meldor's suggestion, it's a three time no because:

1) Maybe the second time a civ government calapses into anarchy

Only Democracies can collapse, and by the point there's Democracy, no Barbarians are left.

2) The second time a any civ's capital is taken

City related... Soren said it's more global.

3) The second time a civ drops by more than 50% culture due to lost cities.

Culture can never drop for a civ, the only thing that can drop is the culture points per turn, but even that can never drop below 1.

[Harovan]

Since uprisings are large stacks of horsemen, and horsemen are available only, after the first (or second?) civ has horseback riding, the "event" that triggers the uprising, must be tech tree related, namely to a tech/building/other event that is guaranteed to occur with or after horseback riding. What can that be?

[Solver]

that is guaranteed to occur

Do you mean it happens every game? Don't think so. Maybe losing the Horse resource?

[Harovan]

Gotta get the emphasis right. I didn't mean "guaranteed to occur after horseback riding" but "guaranteed to occur after horseback riding" (but not before).

[DeepO]

Theseus and nye, that's not what I meant by asking whether anyone has seen multiple uprisings. I've definately seen that all camps spaw hordes in the same turn, but my question was whether anyone can remember if there were more of these turns. For instance in 1000BC you got hordes all over the place, and in 450 AD again. That would have it's implications on the triggers....

DeepO