AU208: Total Eternal Forever War - Reports and Comments

[Arrian]

81 Artillery & 62 Frigates!!!



-Arrian

[nbarclay]

I didn't even think of a blockade. The frigates' main jobs are (1) to escort galleons and (2) to clobber any ships that happen to wander into their area. (I wouldn't have built quite so many if I'd realized how high the number was getting.)

Having America end up with the Theory of Evolution has worked out pretty well for me after all. With its free techs from ToE, America's been able to siphon off massive amounts of gold from the other civs. With Communsim, they have nothing to spend it on (especially since they seem to have sent all their obsolete units to attack me long ago, judging by their almost total lack of guerillas). So guess who's ending up with all that gold? I must have gotten close to 10,000 gold looting captured American cities since the war started. America still has just over 4500 gold, and they're running a surplus of a little over 250 gpt (as indicated by what they could afford to pay for a peace treaty if I were willing to negotiate).

Right now America is down to two cities (assuming there aren't others hidden in the black areas), one on their home continent and one (now their capital) just north of mine. I moved my own capital to Miami, just across the channel from Egypt, partly because it's a good place to start work on a second core (at least until Egypt gets bombers ) and partly to reduce the risk of culture flips.

Regarding the tech pace, there's good news and bad news. The good news is that I still haven't seen any oil-powered ships. The bad news is that radar towers have been popping up lately (although India seems to be lagging behind in that regard). I have Refining and am about to start Steel, but Scientific Method is as far as I've gotten on the bottom of the tree. With my gold from America, I should be able to keep up a four-turn pace for the next several techs even if I go after expensive ones, so my prospects for catching up in the tech race are starting to look good. It's too early to be sure, but I think I'm actually going to win this thing.

[Dominae]

I'm pretty sure you've got it, Nathan. Finish them!

[cumi]

Who crated this map?

I DON'T HAVE COAL ON THE CONTINENT!!!!

[Arrian]

cumi,

Yeah, that's the discovery that convinced me to throw in the towel. I feel your pain.

Dominae,

Woah, freaky avatar! The eyes! Ahhh!

Nathan,

Lookin' good, man, keep us informed.

-Arrian

[vmxa1]

When the game ended, I thought it was funny that the rating was Meek.
I guess due to the non stop fighting, but the score was 801 in the year before ending and then next one was 299 (IIRC). I had all wonders and build them myself except Collossus. I had all the land on two island and all but a few cities on the one for India and Hammy.
The final score 1001, so I suspect that it is the main factor in your rank.

[CorpusScorpius]

Originally posted by alexman
I didn't count on England's tiny island being so tough to invade. (I doubt anyone appreciated that as a dose of real history! )

The part I loved was the Vicious English Galleys No matter how experienced my Galleys where, Lizzie's were Kickin

[cumi]

Originally posted by Arrian
cumi,

Yeah, that's the discovery that convinced me to throw in the towel. I feel your pain.

Dominae,

Woah, freaky avatar! The eyes! Ahhh!

Nathan,

Lookin' good, man, keep us informed.

-Arrian

I was in about AD1500: the part of coast that wasn't destroyed, was under stady bombardment. I could count about 10 Ironclads and 20 frigatts. No coal, no saltpeper. Although I could catch up in the tech race, my best unit was rider (I was concentrating on "builder" techs, like economy, physics etc. The AI was attacking with cavalry. When the AI dropped in the first time a horde of Riflemans, I quit. BTW, I made a huge mistake (I think): I switched to Monarchy very very late, at about 1000AD. I simply forgot to make a revolution...

BTW, in what goverment form are you playing?

I throwed in the towel and restarted the scenario at the easyest level. I am not very proud of that... Normally, I am playing on Regent level and I can win without any problems. But, these AU games seems like to be too big challenges for me...

Now I am going to kick out every civ from the game !!!

[cumi]

Originally posted by cumi
BTW, in what goverment form are you playing?

...and are you using the "Mobilisation" ???

[cumi]

Let's discuss!

1. I would like to ask you or open a small discussion about the city placement. I saw screenshots from Dominae, where he used 2-3 tile spacing (I did it so too). But NorMe and vmxa1 used about 20 tile city placement.

Any comments or explanations on that?

2. Where did you built your FP? In one of my screenshots (page 8 - Here the link ) you can see, where did I put it...

3. How many cities did you founded? I don't think, that it's possible to fill the whole continent with cities and to stay at low corruption.

4. And finally, I would like to know the history of the form of your goverments.


cumi

[Dominae]

Re: Let's discuss!

Originally posted by cumi
1. I would like to ask you or open a small discussion about the city placement. I saw screenshots from Dominae, where he used 2-3 tile spacing (I did it so too). But NorMe and vmxa1 used about 20 tile city placement.

I used quite tight city-spacing in the core because I was hard-pressed to defend against the Romans for a while. I could probably have benefitted from using temporary camps instead of full-fledged cities, as the necessary later-game Builder mode was very expensive for me, what with all improvements in all core cities (apart from Coliseums). I spread my cities futher apart up North around my Forbidden Palace, but with the conquest of the English island I'm quite sure I was suffering from some annoying Corruption. Something to improve on in the next game.

I'm not quite sure what vmxa1 was doing in the screenshot just above. Care to comment, vmxa1?

2. Where did you built your FP?

I know Arrian, Nathan and I have indicated where we've placed our FPs, if you read our reports. It's hard to describe without a screenshot!

3. How many cities did you founded? I don't think, that it's possible to fill the whole continent with cities and to stay at low corruption.

Lots. I'm not quite sure anymore. Let's just say I had 3-spacing around my core, then 4- or 5-spacing everywhere else. That should give you an idea of the number of cities I had compared to yours.

4. And finally, I would like to know the history of the form of your goverments.

Despotism
Anarchy
Monarchy




Dominae

[nbarclay]

I stayed in Despotism a lot longer than I should have, hoping I could take England out and then switch to Republic. My problem was that I didn't commit enough immortals to the English invasion to do the job quickly. So I ended up having to settle for Monarchy anyhow (and I expect to remain in Monarchy for the rest of the game).

I went into mobilization pretty much the moment I got Nationalism and stayed mobilized for a very long time (finally finishing off England's last city when I was ready to get back out to build factories and stock exchanges). Mobilization definitely made the difference in my having the forces to take out America (well, they have one city left for a few more turns).

With a well-centered forbidden palace, it is possible to fill the entire continent and have all the cities stay at tolerable corruption levels once they get courthouses. That's true even with a build pattern oriented toward using all available land tiles and a fair amount of coast at size 12. (That's almost always my favored build pattern because I think tbe benefits up until Sanitation is discovered outweigh the drawbacks afterward. Indeed, due to my dense build pattern, I haven't felt a pressing need to research Sanitation thus far. More interestingly, in this game, my captured American cities mostly do have hospitals, which means I can build Battlefield Medicine without Sanitation and don't need Sanitation for hospitals there.)

I built my FP by the game tile northeast of the mountains with iron in the middle. (I rushed it using my second leader.) The reason for the central location is that I already had my eye on the America/Egypt area for a new palace later in the game.

[MrWhereItsAt]

I would imagine vmxa abandoned a whole lot of cities in close spacing when he no longer needed them, and got Sanitation (he clearly has little more room for them with size 17+ cities).

[Dominae]

Yes, but...1) his tile improvements are way behind for the 20th century, 2) if his capital or Forbidden Palace is on the home continent, he is better off to put more cities there than somewhere else, due to distance-from-capital Corruption. My guess is that he relocated his Palace and is using Irrigation and Specialists in the areas visible in the screenshot. Still, it looks weird.

vmxa1?


Dominae

[Arrian]

Wow, I just noticed that screenshot!

In the same amount of land, I had ~9 cities.

-Arrian